Jehuty

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If you're gonna be close minded that's your business. GO ahead and add mass power, that's your call.

bvasquez12

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i was hoping for, maybe 260-300 atw ? maybe low13 sec 1/4s on slicks. is this possible and reasonable

Demon_ni2

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wait.. sorry chimin in late jehuty..
are u saying that a built swap like a 4g63 pushin alot of boost doesnt work because of 'tires/traction/axles breakings' issues?
i do believe 24.5x8.5x15 slicks are what most 800+ hp civics use to get into the high 8s. thats like.. a 225/60/15 tire.. and halfshafts will always be a problem, its fwd.
only reason why i said anything is because once this built motor goes boom.. im going to be doing a 2.3crate 4g63 and pushin alot more boost. but i tend to waist alot of money on my cars.. so whatever. lol..

Demon_ni2

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turbo your 4g94.. do pistons and rods.. boost 16psi on e85.. u got yourself a low 13s 4g94 on street tires

Jehuty

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The thing is that Honda's can fit much thicker wheels. And point blank, unless you're gonna be sticking with your lancer only to the track no point in getting it that high.

Bvasquez - I'll put it like this, a friend of mine has a GTI and has about 280HP//300TQ and he's not gripping properly till about late 3rd, early 4th. Trust me guys I would LOVE to have my car with high hp, but we have to be reasonable. High horsepower isn't everything. Haaven't you guys watched initial d?!?!?!

bvasquez12

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this is true, i want a fast street car okay. daily driver, without rebuilding my g94. im looking for g64 swap parts right now, so i was planning on swapping it and running about 8psi. so maybe ill have a quick reliable street car without having to rebuild my g94 which costs far too much imo. and leaves no room for expansion. so i was hoping for maybe 250 at 8 psi ? is that too much to ask for !! lol, maybe i should move on..and get a civic live everyone else

Demon_ni2

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most hondas actually run smaller wheel/tire combos then lancers. just an fyi. (most hondas on the street use 185-215 tires depending on rim, similiar to us)
24.5x8x15 slicks fit just fine under my car. and its lowered on tein springs. those r the size tires 9-10sec hondas use. not many use anything bigger then that because of to much traction(and break axles to easy)

Realistically anything beyond 300 hp (for FWD) is to much power for the street, if u use nothing but drag radials on the street, then that number jumps to about 450hp.. but u will always have wheel spin. driving technique goes a long long ways with trq monster cars.

but for a street car, theres no point in pushing 300+hp.. thats why god invented man to invent boost controllers.. (built motor, run 10psi street, 20psi at the track!)

My boss has the worlds fastest dsg powered vw gti mkv. aprvideos on youtube(its an orange gti with a all cf front clip). i think u see a 12.07 pass(its me talkin in the video) (his fastest pass is a 11.7'only a stage3built at the time', and his car is also the first stage 4 mkv) making little over 600hp now (not actually allowed to say how much hp hes really making since stage 4 kit apr hasnt actually put out yet).. runnin 24.5x8x15 slicks, and no traction all the way threw 4th. and he runs oversized (265) drag radials on the street(on the weekends). he has no traction at 420hp. fwd.. slicks.. and he drives this things all over town 24/7 with allseason tires on it normally. no such thing as traction in it under 70mph at wide open throttle, and it still walks away from me with no problem. once he gets it back from APR, it will be nasty at 600+hp.


12.07 run
^^ only stage 3 setup, built motor, 22psi on a gt2871, 420hp
stage4 video of pull.. with traction control on.. (TC kills trq) <- not on a dyno either, all street, video is when it was maken 530hp, before tuning was even done, its maken more hp then that now to.

8psi and 250hp? Lawl no.. highly doubt thats acheiveable with our motor at that such little boost.. 8psi maybe 210hp220trq. with a good tune.
I dont normally suggest swappin to a honda for many reasons. if u want something to dick around town with your buddies in.. its fun to rub it in there face that a SOHC 120hp lancer just walked there butts. but 8psi is nasty.. were not hondas we make trq monsters! 8psi will get u to low low 14s on street tires.. shouldnt have to many traction issues..
me vs tow truck <-- maken 240ish hp.(give or take 20hp).
no real traction issues at 14psi (but now im on a bigger turbo then most, so i dont see my power till uptop of my powerband), auto tranny, 205/50/15 falken rt-615 tires. (cars gutted, weighed in at 2180lbs back in november, and its much lighter now) but the way i drive.. my stock motors dont last long since i change my boost levels alot, at 9psi i blew it up at 130+mph because i have a heavy foot, 16psi i blew up right at the end of the 1/4mile drag. i was tracking my car every weekend, friday, saturday, and sunday (drag, course, and autocrossing) every week! each motor lastest about 3 months..(but stock motors, all at more boost, or more abuse then they could realistically handle, 99% of its lifespan is in 100% throttle high rpms) if all i did was street my car.. 8-10psi is realistically very safe. and great power, shouldnt run into many problems if your mature enough to stay off it when you know you abusing the crap out of it.

senate6268

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The 4G64 swap provides a much better platform than the 4G94 ever will. I would recommend the swap over turbo'ing any day. And in reality, you can swap a 4G64 and turbo it for only a tad more than the cost of simply turbo'ing the 4G94. Not to mention, aftermarket parts for the 4G6x engines are cheaper because the market has been there for twice as long.

Everyone wants their Lancer to be fast. And 350-400whp in a FWD Lancer is more than feasible to daily drive on the streets if you so choose. You aren't going WOT at every green light and you're aren't going to be at 18psi+ on a 40mph city street. Traction will of course be an issue, but not on the street. I love that everyone is finally coming around and trying to max out the 4G94. But truth be told, it's a better idea to swap the 4G64 and put the power through that. The engine will be much less stressed at the same power levels.

bvasquez12

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Demon I meant 250 with a 4g64 and some boost, not the g94. I'm already buying parts for the swap for the reasons senate mentioned. Alot better platform and aftermarket, plus it even put down decent na numbers. And senate , wouldn't 14 psi on a g64 put you right over the 300 mark with a good tune ?

gotrnet

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it would prob be just shy of 300 but to get to 14 psi you would have do redo the internals and if you are going to do that might as well go for more boost. just dont think an extra 4psi is worth the cost of redoing all the internals. the stock g64 is only good to 10psi. but you can run that safely and reliably on a DD. i have heard of people running 12psi daily but they dont do it for very long!

bvasquez12

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So what do you think a boosted 64 at 10 lbs would put down

gotrnet

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i am not good at guessing hp numbers, i usually guess high. i would say 240 at the wheels. 141 stock plus 100 (10 hp per PSI is a good GUIDELINE) = 240. but realistically it puts 120-125 to the wheels in stock form + 100 would = 220 at the wheels, not a bad number at all. i personally made 215hp 220tq at 10psi and 11:1 A/F across the board.

senate6268

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Your numbers work for me. I was gonna say 225-240whp at 10psi. It will provide very respectable numbers and leave the option for a very nice 4G63 DOHC swap open.

bvasquez12

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well i dont see how the 4g94 starts at 120hp factory and ive seen some people on here put down 210+ atw with 10 psi. would a 4g64 which actually start at 150 put down about 250! i dont understand

senate6268

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The 4G64 has a 9.0:1 compression ratio, while the 4G94 is 9.5:1. It does make a difference when boost is in the picture.