Evo X vs. Evo VIII and IX
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Dude if you read my op I say that the VIII is hands down the quicker of the two. I am not surprised. btw the VIII was stock unless you count a shorty antenna and wheels. AND don't forget that my op was in response to a thread asking about differences between VIII and X; before it was merged into this gay mega thread which I am bowing out of.
Last edited by jayevo23; Jan 3, 2009 at 08:03 PM.
I love how evo 8 and evo 9 owners come in here and start saying the evo X is crap because it is slower and heavier than the 8,9.
maybe if you stop comparing your stock EVO 8 to a stock EVO X, you would finally understand.
who the hell leaves these cars stock?
stock, evo's arent fast.
the X needs mods to appreciate fully and ive only sat in ONE X so far and i already know this
maybe if you stop comparing your stock EVO 8 to a stock EVO X, you would finally understand.
who the hell leaves these cars stock?
stock, evo's arent fast.
the X needs mods to appreciate fully and ive only sat in ONE X so far and i already know this
yea.. though debate and criticism is healthy for any car, I think it's clear who's being insecure and who's pursuing more knowledge and debating in a friendly and healthy manner. Really though this thread just needs to die
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despite all the reality about how good EVO X handles and performs, the outcome speaks for themselves. One of the most hardcore race event in Japan, "Super Taikyu" series ( in English it means "Super Endurance") proves that track setup EVOX will not outrun the EVO IX.
watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAbD4QLMQvs
both of these cars have the same suspension components, but EVO X is a whole new different chasis, stronger supposely. But in reality, when both car are being modified under the same regulation, the outcome is very interesting... I wasn't suprised at all.
watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAbD4QLMQvs
both of these cars have the same suspension components, but EVO X is a whole new different chasis, stronger supposely. But in reality, when both car are being modified under the same regulation, the outcome is very interesting... I wasn't suprised at all.
They also cite the X as being an average of 5-7 mph faster through several turns, but that because of the weight difference and power deficit from being LESS MODDED than their 9, that it's not competitive yet. This video came out a long time ago before there had been much development on the X, so this is to be expected. The problem with the JDM videos is that people like you have no idea what they are saying and start making baseless assumptions and claims without being acquainted with the facts.
Before long, rumors start to generate and then all the sudden the story is that the X had 1000 whp and got beaten by a stock 9. Whether or not you want to acknowledge it, Xs are beating similarly modded CT9As in many race venues around the world. Ryan gates, AMS, and many others are setting records all over the place and in the process, beating out CT9As in the same class. As you would say, "the outcomes speak for themselves." Only this time, the facts are present.
Last edited by STi2EvoX; Jan 6, 2009 at 12:34 AM.
^^^ Good point. Look at the TTA class at the NASA Championships this year.....an Evo X was 3 seconds faster than a IX in the same class.....it also won the National Championship and set the track record. Hmmm weird.
I did lose to Nils (Evo VIII RS) at Super Lap in November, yes. But, he has Voltex aero, built 2.2L, gutted interior, brand new KW Race shocks and infinite laps at Buttonwillow and 3 years of testing and setup on that car....I was learning the track on a 100% stock longblock, 4 bolt-ons, full interior, and blown front shocks with stripped camber plates.
Wait til next season to see how a well prepped Evo X does
I did lose to Nils (Evo VIII RS) at Super Lap in November, yes. But, he has Voltex aero, built 2.2L, gutted interior, brand new KW Race shocks and infinite laps at Buttonwillow and 3 years of testing and setup on that car....I was learning the track on a 100% stock longblock, 4 bolt-ons, full interior, and blown front shocks with stripped camber plates.
Wait til next season to see how a well prepped Evo X does
First off, I can tell from your comments that you don't know much about the X at all, so forming opinions based on some video that you don't even understand is laughable, at best. Second, that wasn't even a race in the super taikyu series, it was a test being conducted by advan to see how their project X was progressing in comparison to their already highly developed 9. They say very clearly in the video that the X is in the early development stages and is NOT as heavily modded as the 9.
They also cite the X as being an average of 5-7 mph faster through several turns, but that because of the weight difference and power deficit from being LESS MODDED than their 9, that it's not competitive yet. This video came out a long time ago before there had been much development on the X, so this is to be expected. The problem with the JDM videos is that people like you have no idea what they are saying and start making baseless assumptions and claims without being acquainted with the facts.
Before long, rumors start to generate and then all the sudden the story is that the X had 1000 whp and got beaten by a stock 9. Whether or not you want to acknowledge it, Xs are beating similarly modded CT9As in many race venues around the world. Ryan gates, AMS, and many others are setting records all over the place and in the process, beating out CT9As in the same class. As you would say, "the outcomes speak for themselves." Only this time, the facts are present.
They also cite the X as being an average of 5-7 mph faster through several turns, but that because of the weight difference and power deficit from being LESS MODDED than their 9, that it's not competitive yet. This video came out a long time ago before there had been much development on the X, so this is to be expected. The problem with the JDM videos is that people like you have no idea what they are saying and start making baseless assumptions and claims without being acquainted with the facts.
Before long, rumors start to generate and then all the sudden the story is that the X had 1000 whp and got beaten by a stock 9. Whether or not you want to acknowledge it, Xs are beating similarly modded CT9As in many race venues around the world. Ryan gates, AMS, and many others are setting records all over the place and in the process, beating out CT9As in the same class. As you would say, "the outcomes speak for themselves." Only this time, the facts are present.
Any car that pulls a 0-60 in less than 5 seconds is silly quick. A stock Evo is arguably one of the most competent point A to point B cars ever made by man.
[RANT] I have to confess to enjoying the MPG threads. Watching dozens upon dozens of guys with thousands of dollars in power mods brag about shifting below 3K is hilarious, knowing the car's powerband. Hell, I've run around a moddded VIII in my beige Kia Sedona minivan. The point being, no amount of mods can fix the nut behind the wheel, but it must be nice to brag about the car's power while sitting in a Walmart parking lot.[/RANT]
Try taking one on the road. The car's issues are factory-driven. Needing to mod, just to gain better driveability, and risking voiding the factory warranty in the process isn't something to be happy about. 
[RANT] I have to confess to enjoying the MPG threads. Watching dozens upon dozens of guys with thousands of dollars in power mods brag about shifting below 3K is hilarious, knowing the car's powerband. Hell, I've run around a moddded VIII in my beige Kia Sedona minivan. The point being, no amount of mods can fix the nut behind the wheel, but it must be nice to brag about the car's power while sitting in a Walmart parking lot.[/RANT]
the X needs mods to appreciate fully and ive only sat in ONE X so far and i already know this
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First off, I can tell from your comments that you don't know much about the X at all, so forming opinions based on some video that you don't even understand is laughable, at best. Second, that wasn't even a race in the super taikyu series, it was a test being conducted by advan to see how their project X was progressing in comparison to their already highly developed 9. They say very clearly in the video that the X is in the early development stages and is NOT as heavily modded as the 9.
They also cite the X as being an average of 5-7 mph faster through several turns, but that because of the weight difference and power deficit from being LESS MODDED than their 9, that it's not competitive yet. This video came out a long time ago before there had been much development on the X, so this is to be expected. The problem with the JDM videos is that people like you have no idea what they are saying and start making baseless assumptions and claims without being acquainted with the facts.
Before long, rumors start to generate and then all the sudden the story is that the X had 1000 whp and got beaten by a stock 9. Whether or not you want to acknowledge it, Xs are beating similarly modded CT9As in many race venues around the world. Ryan gates, AMS, and many others are setting records all over the place and in the process, beating out CT9As in the same class. As you would say, "the outcomes speak for themselves." Only this time, the facts are present.
They also cite the X as being an average of 5-7 mph faster through several turns, but that because of the weight difference and power deficit from being LESS MODDED than their 9, that it's not competitive yet. This video came out a long time ago before there had been much development on the X, so this is to be expected. The problem with the JDM videos is that people like you have no idea what they are saying and start making baseless assumptions and claims without being acquainted with the facts.
Before long, rumors start to generate and then all the sudden the story is that the X had 1000 whp and got beaten by a stock 9. Whether or not you want to acknowledge it, Xs are beating similarly modded CT9As in many race venues around the world. Ryan gates, AMS, and many others are setting records all over the place and in the process, beating out CT9As in the same class. As you would say, "the outcomes speak for themselves." Only this time, the facts are present.
0:32 - Oops, lost balance a bit (IX driver)
0:38 - At turn, there is barely any difference (IX driver)
0:43 - IX is around 100kg (220lbs) lighter, they're using the same tires (commentator)
0:52 - I think the X is faster at turns (X driver)
1:24 - Here comes a high speed turn (IX driver)
1:29 - I'm faster... at high speed turns (IX driver)
2:11 - From beginning of braking to turn in, the X is much more stable (IX driver)
2:45 - Here is where its fast! The evo X (IX driver)
3:11 - According to the data, during the low to mid speed turns, the X is doing over 5km/h (3mph) faster (commentator)
3:31 - I messed up my turn entry line.. but the traction is good (IX driver) * I may need some translation help here*
4:14 - From here... (IX driver)
4:20 - let me try pushing it (IX driver)
As long as chassis, engine, drivetrain remains the same, more mod is going to favor the IX. For being longer, wider, taller, stronger and heavier, the CZ4A chassis is a big penalty over CT9A, the stability gained from it does not over come the weight and aerodynamics deficiency in a majority of racing instances. If all three of above are allowed to be changed, anything can happen.
I still cannot find a more comprehensive stock Evo vs Evo (actually WRX STI) results than the Autoblog one:
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/05/e...ba-lap-times/3
2007 - X
2006 - IX MR (9.5)
2005 - IX
2003 - VIII
2001 - VII
1998 - VI
1996 - IV
1994 - II
1992 - I
They're missing 1995 III, 2000 VI TME (6.5) and 2004 VIII MR (8.5).
I have to agree that on stock class type races the X is untouchable, because a lot of parts that would've tallied up points on an IX is good enough not to be replaced on an X, not to mention the allowed performance mods net bigger power on an X (intake, catback etc).
I don't think the fundamental of this thread is about finding out whether CZ4A is or will be faster than CT9A/CP9A, stock, modded, or race built, but more of a:
# Purist's view - Why waste weight on comfort and safety, use the technology the reduce the weight instead and the car would be undisputedly faster and more fun. (probably not viable interms of company profitability)
# Enthusiast's view - All that extra stuff is ok, but why not add some power? Especially now that Japanese companies no longer follow the 280ps 'rule'. (barely any cost to them to add another 40-50hp, but liability may cost them in long run)
