Evo X vs. Evo VIII and IX
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From: BRATISLAVA (SLOVAKIA)
I'm going to side with the conservatives on this one. I know where a 4G63 gets iffy, I had two. Its lower than people are saying. And that means that the 4B11 is _definitely_ lower than that. The 4G63 is flat out a better canvas for big power than the 4B11, period.
On Andrew's Dyno Dynamics, I don't think a 4B11 that made 400whp would last for a long time. In a lighter Evo VIII, that's a 123mph car in the quarter mile.
The problem is that people are full of speculation. Those people can test the limits of the block. I'm a dad, homeowner, and have a two year old in daycare, so I'll sit on the sidelines and watch while y'all push the block to its outer limits. I can't afford to be a guinea pig and frag a motor in a year.
On Andrew's Dyno Dynamics, I don't think a 4B11 that made 400whp would last for a long time. In a lighter Evo VIII, that's a 123mph car in the quarter mile.
The problem is that people are full of speculation. Those people can test the limits of the block. I'm a dad, homeowner, and have a two year old in daycare, so I'll sit on the sidelines and watch while y'all push the block to its outer limits. I can't afford to be a guinea pig and frag a motor in a year.
the 4b11 is ok but if you decide to tune it,,you`ll see soon ...
but nobody is saying that the X is bad,,,just it ist the continues evolution,,and it very different.
i like it,,but i would better stay with the IX.
I really don't see how it doesn't continue the "evolution" It revolved into a better all around car. It left off some of the raw characteristics of the VIII/IX to be better daily driven. Its more than capable its just in some venues of racing it will require either more power to overcome its weight. The engine will be more than capable. I think at the level most evo owners go there should be no problem. Some of the little problems it has...well all evo's had them. Does seem like some of the ones on the X are fairly strange though.
hahahah good joke buddy.i know you have the X and you are now in different space zone,,but thats good,everybody should be crazy and defending his brand new car..even guys who has volkswagens or buicks are saying that they have the best car,cuz they like it.thats way they decided to buy it.
and the s.it about the aluminuim block...are u kidding me???ok everything is possible,,but i would like to see how many miles you`ll drive and then you can change all block ,pistons,and other stuff.
but ok,,nobody is stealing the goods of the new X.but the new X is not the real rally car,evo VII,VIII,or the IX.so, take it easy with the X.ok buddy.
and the s.it about the aluminuim block...are u kidding me???ok everything is possible,,but i would like to see how many miles you`ll drive and then you can change all block ,pistons,and other stuff.
but ok,,nobody is stealing the goods of the new X.but the new X is not the real rally car,evo VII,VIII,or the IX.so, take it easy with the X.ok buddy.
yeah like you said,,the 4g63 is strong engine,ok little bit heavier then the new but but its gonna last more and more hp without any engine changes like camshafts pistons and other stuff.
the 4b11 is ok but if you decide to tune it,,you`ll see soon ...
but nobody is saying that the X is bad,,,just it ist the continues evolution,,and it very different.
i like it,,but i would better stay with the IX.
the 4b11 is ok but if you decide to tune it,,you`ll see soon ...
but nobody is saying that the X is bad,,,just it ist the continues evolution,,and it very different.
i like it,,but i would better stay with the IX.
Tuners like Buschur and AMS and Works have been tuning the 4B11 for at least 6 month now. Incredible results have been seen thus far. "you'll see soon." What is this supposed to mean? We'll see soon that the 4B11 once tuned is a badass mother****er?
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From: MS/SG...now in perth
i prefer the evo 8/9 or 6 to the evo X anytime
just because i firmly believe that an evo should just be a car with raw performance and fun
the evo X in my opinion has dwell away from the sole purpose of creating the evolution...
i mean by combining comfort and performance is abit weird
are they trying to follow BMW like M3 or M5?
i mean, its a mitsubishi
and the heritage, i believe most ppl buy evo not because of the comfortability or practicality
we love evo because of its raw performance
and that pretty much sum it up
no matter how much comfortable then the previous version, i dont think it will be better then a civic in the case of daily driven and maintenance cost etc...
i rather they made the car cheaper and stripe it off the unneccessary luxury stuff and we can save a few grand, and maybe use that money to buy a car that is a fuel miser..
just because i firmly believe that an evo should just be a car with raw performance and fun
the evo X in my opinion has dwell away from the sole purpose of creating the evolution...
i mean by combining comfort and performance is abit weird
are they trying to follow BMW like M3 or M5?
i mean, its a mitsubishi
and the heritage, i believe most ppl buy evo not because of the comfortability or practicality
we love evo because of its raw performance
and that pretty much sum it up
no matter how much comfortable then the previous version, i dont think it will be better then a civic in the case of daily driven and maintenance cost etc...
i rather they made the car cheaper and stripe it off the unneccessary luxury stuff and we can save a few grand, and maybe use that money to buy a car that is a fuel miser..
i prefer the evo 8/9 or 6 to the evo X anytime
just because i firmly believe that an evo should just be a car with raw performance and fun
the evo X in my opinion has dwell away from the sole purpose of creating the evolution...
i mean by combining comfort and performance is abit weird
are they trying to follow BMW like M3 or M5?
i mean, its a mitsubishi
and the heritage, i believe most ppl buy evo not because of the comfortability or practicality
we love evo because of its raw performance
and that pretty much sum it up
no matter how much comfortable then the previous version, i dont think it will be better then a civic in the case of daily driven and maintenance cost etc...
i rather they made the car cheaper and stripe it off the unneccessary luxury stuff and we can save a few grand, and maybe use that money to buy a car that is a fuel miser..
just because i firmly believe that an evo should just be a car with raw performance and fun
the evo X in my opinion has dwell away from the sole purpose of creating the evolution...
i mean by combining comfort and performance is abit weird
are they trying to follow BMW like M3 or M5?
i mean, its a mitsubishi
and the heritage, i believe most ppl buy evo not because of the comfortability or practicality
we love evo because of its raw performance
and that pretty much sum it up
no matter how much comfortable then the previous version, i dont think it will be better then a civic in the case of daily driven and maintenance cost etc...
i rather they made the car cheaper and stripe it off the unneccessary luxury stuff and we can save a few grand, and maybe use that money to buy a car that is a fuel miser..
My IX is more raw fun than any car i have owned or driven.
The X is a raw car ,as soon as, you wan it to be.
If you dont want to have a "raw" car then you might find the GSR not raw. Wich is personal opinion,
But defenietly not to far from the IX MR as riding quality . I would say, they even.
I would even ask what is the "RAW" actually is means for you guys, just make sure we are on the same page.
well, you need to drive a modifyed X... and you will be greatly surprised how wrong you two are on this matter.
The X is a raw car ,as soon as, you wan it to be.
If you dont want to have a "raw" car then you might find the GSR not raw. Wich is personal opinion,
But defenietly not to far from the IX MR as riding quality . I would say, they even.
I would even ask what is the "RAW" actually is means for you guys, just make sure we are on the same page.
The X is a raw car ,as soon as, you wan it to be.
If you dont want to have a "raw" car then you might find the GSR not raw. Wich is personal opinion,
But defenietly not to far from the IX MR as riding quality . I would say, they even.
I would even ask what is the "RAW" actually is means for you guys, just make sure we are on the same page.
the big thing about the X is the electronics. ASC and AYC mainly. Although AYC is great, please dont get me wrong, its still electronics and mechanicals that make you drive better. Basically when I say raw, its mainly the driver thats doing the driving even when the car loses control and such. Hopefully thats clear.
so to being raw mean no electronic help for the driver. If so, no help for a driver at all.
So no ABS or VDC or power assist etc for the driver?
The car loose control if you dont drive it right no matter what. Even gokart or buggati veyron or the new GT-R does it
The question is , you will be more happy, with the car it makes your driving feels like work, or you want to enjoy the ride and being faster a same time?
The X is goes side ways happier then any other US model evo . Just make sure we cover the fun side of the story too.
I do think who ever claim the EvoX is not a driver car, those are did not had a spirited driving, in one of them yet.
You can tell those rally drivers, with AYC or even S-AYC, they are not real drivers anymore since the car does the job for them.
No offense, but the Evolution in general knows more, then they own drivers... very often.
Including me.
Last edited by Robevo RS; Jul 21, 2008 at 09:48 AM.
then i'm lost.
so to being raw mean no electronic help for the driver. If so, no help for a driver at all.
So no ABS or VDC or power assist etc for the driver?
The car loose control if you dont drive it right no matter what. Even gokart or buggati veyron or the new GT-R does it
The question is , you will be more happy, with the car it makes your driving feels like work, or you want to enjoy the ride and being faster a same time?
The X is goes side ways happier then any other US model evo . Just make sure we cover the fun side of the story too.
I do think who ever claim the EvoX is not a driver car, those are did not had a spirited driving, in one of them yet.
You can tell those rally drivers, with AYC or even S-AYC, they are not real drivers anymore since the car does the job for them.
No offense, but the Evolution in general knows more, then they own drivers... very often.
Including me.
so to being raw mean no electronic help for the driver. If so, no help for a driver at all.
So no ABS or VDC or power assist etc for the driver?
The car loose control if you dont drive it right no matter what. Even gokart or buggati veyron or the new GT-R does it
The question is , you will be more happy, with the car it makes your driving feels like work, or you want to enjoy the ride and being faster a same time?
The X is goes side ways happier then any other US model evo . Just make sure we cover the fun side of the story too.
I do think who ever claim the EvoX is not a driver car, those are did not had a spirited driving, in one of them yet.
You can tell those rally drivers, with AYC or even S-AYC, they are not real drivers anymore since the car does the job for them.
No offense, but the Evolution in general knows more, then they own drivers... very often.
Including me.
I'm sorry to use the words Evo IX Fanboy at this point, but some of the recent posts I'm reading are just begging to be called typical fanboy posts.
The rawness factor is such a joke in my opinion. I'm not gonna write a book about it. No need to. All I'll say is this. With an Evo VIII and IX you pay $30,000 (or more) and you get all performance, a ****ty interior, a nice steering wheel, decent seats, and less features than a typical $20,000 car. With a X @ $32,000 you get better performance (keep reading), cruise control, AYC, SAWC, ABS, auto climate control, navigation, optional 6 speed SST, bluetooth, Ipod thing, and a pretty decent interior + a lot more. Only a fanboy would say they'd rather have a "raw" car than have all of those extras. Trust me, I've owned both. I like the X better for the features. As for my performance comment above, it is 100% true that the 4B11 engine is more powerful, the drivetrain is 10X better, the chasis is 10X better... Unfortunately, the car weighs a lot more and it's compromised a bit, closing the gap between IX and X.
One last thing, I'd only take someone's "rawness" comments serious if they are driving an RS. Same thing applies to owners of RS CT9A's vs. MR CT9A's. RS's must be real evo's and the MR's fake because the MR takes away some of the rawness of the vehicle. Gimme a break.
The rawness factor is such a joke in my opinion. I'm not gonna write a book about it. No need to. All I'll say is this. With an Evo VIII and IX you pay $30,000 (or more) and you get all performance, a ****ty interior, a nice steering wheel, decent seats, and less features than a typical $20,000 car. With a X @ $32,000 you get better performance (keep reading), cruise control, AYC, SAWC, ABS, auto climate control, navigation, optional 6 speed SST, bluetooth, Ipod thing, and a pretty decent interior + a lot more. Only a fanboy would say they'd rather have a "raw" car than have all of those extras. Trust me, I've owned both. I like the X better for the features. As for my performance comment above, it is 100% true that the 4B11 engine is more powerful, the drivetrain is 10X better, the chasis is 10X better... Unfortunately, the car weighs a lot more and it's compromised a bit, closing the gap between IX and X.
One last thing, I'd only take someone's "rawness" comments serious if they are driving an RS. Same thing applies to owners of RS CT9A's vs. MR CT9A's. RS's must be real evo's and the MR's fake because the MR takes away some of the rawness of the vehicle. Gimme a break.
I'm sorry to use the words Evo IX Fanboy at this point, but some of the recent posts I'm reading are just begging to be called typical fanboy posts.
The rawness factor is such a joke in my opinion. I'm not gonna write a book about it. No need to. All I'll say is this. With an Evo VIII and IX you pay $30,000 (or more) and you get all performance, a ****ty interior, a nice steering wheel, decent seats, and less features than a typical $20,000 car. With a X @ $32,000 you get better performance (keep reading), cruise control, AYC, SAWC, ABS, auto climate control, navigation, optional 6 speed SST, bluetooth, Ipod thing, and a pretty decent interior + a lot more. Only a fanboy would say they'd rather have a "raw" car than have all of those extras. Trust me, I've owned both. I like the X better for the features. As for my performance comment above, it is 100% true that the 4B11 engine is more powerful, the drivetrain is 10X better, the chasis is 10X better... Unfortunately, the car weighs a lot more and it's compromised a bit, closing the gap between IX and X.
One last thing, I'd only take someone's "rawness" comments serious if they are driving an RS. Same thing applies to owners of RS CT9A's vs. MR CT9A's. RS's must be real evo's and the MR's fake because the MR takes away some of the rawness of the vehicle. Gimme a break.
The rawness factor is such a joke in my opinion. I'm not gonna write a book about it. No need to. All I'll say is this. With an Evo VIII and IX you pay $30,000 (or more) and you get all performance, a ****ty interior, a nice steering wheel, decent seats, and less features than a typical $20,000 car. With a X @ $32,000 you get better performance (keep reading), cruise control, AYC, SAWC, ABS, auto climate control, navigation, optional 6 speed SST, bluetooth, Ipod thing, and a pretty decent interior + a lot more. Only a fanboy would say they'd rather have a "raw" car than have all of those extras. Trust me, I've owned both. I like the X better for the features. As for my performance comment above, it is 100% true that the 4B11 engine is more powerful, the drivetrain is 10X better, the chasis is 10X better... Unfortunately, the car weighs a lot more and it's compromised a bit, closing the gap between IX and X.
One last thing, I'd only take someone's "rawness" comments serious if they are driving an RS. Same thing applies to owners of RS CT9A's vs. MR CT9A's. RS's must be real evo's and the MR's fake because the MR takes away some of the rawness of the vehicle. Gimme a break.
i cant belive that this thread is still going.
you wanna argue or get your frustrations out, go buy a punching bag instead of argueing mute points over and over and over again,... blah, blah
you will not convince someone who likes the X that the VIII or the IX or the VI is better, and vice versa.
ok, now i have to to leave, i have some things to do on planet earth, peace out
you wanna argue or get your frustrations out, go buy a punching bag instead of argueing mute points over and over and over again,... blah, blah
you will not convince someone who likes the X that the VIII or the IX or the VI is better, and vice versa.
ok, now i have to to leave, i have some things to do on planet earth, peace out
i cant belive that this thread is still going.
you wanna argue or get your frustrations out, go buy a punching bag instead of argueing mute points over and over and over again,... blah, blah
you will not convince someone who likes the X that the VIII or the IX or the VI is better, and vice versa.
ok, now i have to to leave, i have some things to do on planet earth, peace out
you wanna argue or get your frustrations out, go buy a punching bag instead of argueing mute points over and over and over again,... blah, blah
you will not convince someone who likes the X that the VIII or the IX or the VI is better, and vice versa.
ok, now i have to to leave, i have some things to do on planet earth, peace out
Post of the year!
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I wasn't going to say anything but I had to comment about this one. Only a fanboy would say they'd rather have a "raw" car than have all those extras? Go buy an audi then. Why do you think people who buy Evos buy Evos? Mainly, for the performance. We sacrifice those "extras" to have extra performance. That is one of the defining compromises of having an Evolution. Now, Mitsubishi has done a fantastic job of adding many of those extras while keeping the performance very close in line to the speed of the other Evolutions. But if you're going to jest about which car feels more like a sports car, more "raw," I really beg to differ. Just because one car goes sideways with more ease doesn't make it a purer sports car.