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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 03:21 PM
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I don't think the RS was designed to be a "track car". I think it was designed to be a car that you can drive at the track every once in a while. If you plan on abusing the car regularly, you have to expect reduced reliability.
well yes, I know. except track day specials (even then I still expect to upgrade brakepads) I expect to be putting in some work for any car to be reliable-ish (ish cause sh*t happens) for track use. but driveline components are one of the things I expect to be fine out of the box... but then again, maybe (hopefully) the press car was an anomaly and they should be fine...?
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 03:22 PM
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why the hell would you put a live axle in a S550 mustang? just buy an '11+ S197... its the same engine save the intake mani... (not saying you specifically, just whoever is actually doing this)

yeah, but the guy in the article said there was a car having issues already... I mean sure its a press car thats beat on... but thats what a track car will be, just spread out a bit further. and the fact that one of the engineers said that "it can't overheat" (is it the same guy that said the intercooler is too cool?) while the other said they can... its gonna be fun getting warranty coverage on that...

but seriously, why would you put a live axel in the new mustang? ugh, I have a perfectly good s197 '14 for sale if anyone wants to do that...
because all the people that like to drag race. they take a car that has made leaps and bounds in handling improvements and go back 20yrs in tech to a live axle LOL. i once had a guy with an '01 Cobra trade me his IRS for the live axle on my '00. i thought he was crazy, but it's all about that 1/4mi life LOL.


Originally Posted by ambystom01
I don't think the RS was designed to be a "track car". I think it was designed to be a car that you can drive at the track every once in a while. If you plan on abusing the car regularly, you have to expect reduced reliability.
agreed, and i appreciate the car accordingly.
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
If you plan on abusing the car regularly, you have to expect reduced reliability.
Either the drivetrain can handle stock power, or it can't. Problems on 2 separate cars with less than 1 hour of track use is telling.
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 03:29 PM
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Yea, sorry to bring up the Evo comparison again, but a stock Evo 8/9 can lap for days with just tires, brakes and fuel.
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Either the drivetrain can handle stock power, or it can't. Problems on 2 separate cars with less than 1 hour of track use is telling.
being press cars, they definitely had well over 1 hour of track use... they prolly had more abusive driving on them then a lot of owners will put on them during the life of the car...
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 03:33 PM
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because all the people that like to drag race. they take a car that has made leaps and bounds in handling improvements and go back 20yrs in tech to a live axle LOL. i once had a guy with an '01 Cobra trade me his IRS for the live axle on my '00. i thought he was crazy, but it's all about that 1/4mi life LOL.
I understand that. but you can get basically the same car with a live axle in there stock in the form of a S197 Mustang... with the money you save from buying a used car and not wasting money on swapping in a live axle, you can get a Cobra Jet intake mani and make more power than the S550 Mustang and have money left over for more mods...
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Either the drivetrain can handle stock power, or it can't. Problems on 2 separate cars with less than 1 hour of track use is telling.
It can handle stock power, but it's not a dedicated track car.
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
being press cars, they definitely had well over 1 hour of track use... they prolly had more abusive driving on them then a lot of owners will put on them during the life of the car...
They also had on site engineers to make sure the cars held up and gave a positive impression.
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
I understand that. but you can get basically the same car with a live axle in there stock in the form of a S197 Mustang... with the money you save from buying a used car and not wasting money on swapping in a live axle, you can get a Cobra Jet intake mani and make more power than the S550 Mustang and have money left over for more mods...
but it's an older Mustang and they want a newer one. the new one does look amazing, IMO.
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 04:01 PM
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but it's an older Mustang and they want a newer one. the new one does look amazing, IMO.
The new one looks way better. And the motor is quite different. Internals are forged, which is good for going FI. And the heads can handle more valve lift. Some decent improvements were for sure made.
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
They also had on site engineers to make sure the cars held up and gave a positive impression.
On site engineers can't magically undue the damage journalists have done to a car, unless they replace all the parts after every test.
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 04:23 PM
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The new one looks way better. And the motor is quite different. Internals are forged, which is good for going FI. And the heads can handle more valve lift. Some decent improvements were for sure made.
really? I thought it was the same save for the manifold... my bad.

I still stand by what I said though. for out of pocket cost of an S550 plus live axle swap, you can have an S197 with a fully built engine that can take more power than a stock S550 engine...
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
really? I thought it was the same save for the manifold... my bad.

I still stand by what I said though. for out of pocket cost of an S550 plus live axle swap, you can have an S197 with a fully built engine that can take more power than a stock S550 engine...
as long as you don't mind having the older model, absolutely. but most people prefer the looks and performance of the newer one.
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
really? I thought it was the same save for the manifold... my bad.

I still stand by what I said though. for out of pocket cost of an S550 plus live axle swap, you can have an S197 with a fully built engine that can take more power than a stock S550 engine...
We've so derailed this thread again lol. But have you sat in an S550? The interior leaps and bounds better than the S197...
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 04:45 PM
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We've so derailed this thread again lol. But have you sat in an S550? The interior leaps and bounds better than the S197...
sorry about the derailment... (not really)

my theory is anyone who's hardcore enough about drag racing to swap in a live axle doesn't care about interior... but yes, its significantly better inside
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