Not me, I'd rather have a 2.0 and a powerband moved to the right.

All the 2.3 dyno charts I'm seeing really start dying out at 5500rpm. I'd gladly trade a bit of low-end today for a much better top end tomorrow. With a tune and MIVEC dialed in the low-end issues are mostly fixed on the Evo's 2.0 yet it still makes power up top.

I feel the stock 4B11T at 2.0 liters is already comparable to their 2.3..... I would love to see a test where they pit a 2.3 liter Evo against a 2.3 liter Ecoboost both using the exact same turbocharger and then compare.

My gut still says the extra attention to detail Mitsubishi put in the Evo still will "out-class" the RS. For instance Ford has never offered a MAF on a turbo car. Mitsu has MAF + MAP yet it runs on simpler maps and is easier to tune then Ford's new "complex" ECU. I'd bet the Mitsu head still flows better stock vs stock and I predict the RS will still have plastic parts for the intake like Ford always does.

My point is Mitsu did a lot of "invisible but needed" things on the Evolution that I never see domestic makers doing. It's a little less "bean-counter-driven" and cost cutting isn't as obvious on the powertrain where it matters most to me. I hope Ford truly put some effort into making this car serious. They are now in the spotlight and the demons will come out one way or the other so lets hope they didn't skimp.

 

I'm guessing the choice to skip the front and center diffs had significant weight, cost, and warranty benefits, with the only downside being internet fanbois whining that it's not a real AWD setup.

 

While they use it as a daily driver no less. It's no different than the bizzare hypotheticals in here;

"If we take this engine and heavily modify it, it'll outperform this stock engine, therefore it's a better engine."

Fanboys gotta fanboy.

 

The AWD sounds very rally car except for the open front diff. They all uses 3 electronic diffs (front, center, rear).

 

I will wager that stock vs stock, the Focus RS will end up with faster lap times than a stock 8/9/10. What its tuning potential ends up being is anyone's guess. I suspect we will see some VERY fast Focus RS' in the not too distant future.

I remember when people thought the S2000 wasn't "that fast." Few years of tuners dialing them in and now they are setting records.

 

I am waiting to see what SAM Evo will be like.
But honestly I dont think Focus RS will be with faster times than stock 9, it wont have any impressive margin over X or 8 either.

 

Impressive margin? Faster is faster.

 

one would think 70hp would yield better results tho.

 

We don't even know what the results are. Regardless, if it's faster, it's faster.

 

The Focus will absolutely be faster stock. Ford isn't playing with it's new products. Tires and power alone will make it happen. If they get involved in Lightning Lap, they'll get Block to drive and shatter C&D's tester times. They let Chevy do that with John Heinricy and the Cobalt SS.

I have to lol at the fanboy accusations for not liking the driveline. Warranty isn't a factor; an open diff will break as easily as a limited slip (see broken viscous center and open front diff 03 Evo VIIIs for example). The 05+ ACD and front LSD are bomb proof in comparison. The weight change in the car was less than 20 lbs with the upgrades.

Manufacturers aren't using LSDs for one reason: e-diffs are much cheaper. Period. And it's hogwash they're as fast. You're not transferring torque by applying front braking, you're limiting it. Look at a new GTI with the LSD option or back to the ITR 15+ years ago. There's no better benchmark than autocross for that, and anyone can be involved. LSDs will make your car measurably faster and won't cook your brake pads. I had a GTI and 135i with e-diffs and they were awful. A friend's GTI had an aftermarket Wavetrac, I took it high speed through a roundabout I've been through 100x in my GTI (same tires), and the corner exit speed difference from the ability to put down power was preposterous. Granted FWD sucks, and it'll show traction deficiencies so much worse, but I want an LSD in a nose heavy AWD car too. The RS would be quicker with it.

 

Honestly if you have 2 trims like Ford has with ST and RS, you should atleast keep the cheap stuff for ST to be remotely available for people with a shallow budget, while loading RS to be a Halo car and class leader in every way, even if you were hypotetically making a loss on every car.
And yet Ford went with looking at the price(even tho they have a great budget option - ST) and making cuts where there should be none.
Oh and fanboyism comments are funny.

 

Well good thing this will be a 2016 not available until Dec-March. As im still waiting to hear about the SAM model, and future models, but I do know after talking with my local dealer and ordering guy, along with the regional rep just happen to be there at the time.

Hes saying dealers will be able to order SAM's starting around July-August so hes thinking it will be a 2016 not a 2015, and also he said that as of now there being told they will be making a Evo in 2016 as GSR's only.

Would be cool if it got a power bump, and Recaro's back

 

Mitsubishi is making us consider a Ford. Please just make a new evo lol

 

I wonder if Mitsubishi will ever even try to re-enter the sports car market. I suspect they will wait until when/if electric cars become the norm so they can release something based on what they learned with their MiEV Pikes Peak cars.

Maybe the alliance with Nissan-Renault will help Mitsubishi get back to its former glory. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...79073867128220
http://www.media.blog.alliance-renau...y-cooperation/

 

they do test for a reason the electric engined race cars with a sawc.
so i am not worry about them continue to build at least one fast car
If they dont, at least our market is keep growing. i am not worried to not to be able to buy a car what i like, if i need too.
there is an STI - RS - R might be even a turbocharged SI coming out etc.

ps: i love the new M3 by the way, that might be my new toy later