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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
My position is that the car is too heavy. And yes in my eyes a 3383 lbs. Focus is too heavy.

Rumors of the car being "sold out" are greatly exaggerated. There are currently 73 of them listed on autotrader (and I am sure more on other sites as well), some priced below MSRP.

But go on believing the hype if you want. Better run out and get one before they are all gone
When I got my '05 Evo MR corner balanced, it came in at 34XX something. If I had listened to you, I would have sold it right then and there

Part of that (I think) is my Moton coilovers...they're steel (not aluminum) and have remote reservoirs. Plus, my IC is a 3.8" heave Garrett core, etc. etc.
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 04:47 PM
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I find it funny that he wants the Focus RS to weigh less than an Evo 9.

http://www.vorshlag.com/tech_evoweights.php
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
The Evo 8/9 was also built on an old as ***** chassis and had horrible crash ratings.
please show me those horrible crash ratings at the time when they were sold.
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mrfred
It sounded to me like full power is only available for 20 second blasts. I guess this scuttlebutt is indicating that even when accounting for this, the power is "inconsistent"?
that is enough for the USA market as long as enough for the 1/4 mile .... lol
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
The RS has the same "Overboost" feature just like the Focus ST and the Fiesta ST have from the factory.

However, this inconsistency that people are complaining about is different and sounds like a bunch of the ECU safeguards being hit. We are talking 40-50whp changes.

The Focus ST and Fiesta ST have some overly conservative safeguards in the ECU that would do what is being stated as far as bringing power down. (I've changed a bunch in my Fiesta ECU for track use) However they where never this sensitive. I'm assuming the RS is even more conservatively tuned.

Still waiting to see how the car reacts to tuning.
I am waiting more on how the after market ECU's will work with the RS. Engine - drivetrain - suspension.
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
please show me those horrible crash ratings at the time when they were sold.
Here ya go.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...oor-sedan/2006

http://howsafeisyourcar.com.au/2005/Mitsubishi/Lancer/

An entire thread on the topic:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...st-rating.html

A car like the Evo VIII or IX would not be produced today.
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01


i said the Evolution you show me a base 2003-2004 lancer crash test.. The Base lancer chassis and the Evo chassis are a same dimensions. But there is where the story ends...

"The Evo has seam welding instead of spot welds in a few key areas. The Evo has heavier guage unibody stampings in the shock mounts and in a few other areas. The Evo has lighter stampings in other areas. The Evo has additional rib stampings and reinforcements in it's shell that are not seen in the Lancer shell.

So while the Lancer and the Evolution have visually similar shells, there are some very distinct structural differences between the two. "

I am not sure how familiar are you with a difference between the base lancer and the Evolution chassis even just looking glance at it stripped. Then it comes the welding differences etc.

I however say, the regular lancer actually sucks ( the 2008 and above get a lots of improvement with a draw back of being heavier )

But that is actually wont applies for the Evolution chassis. At least 40% stiffer and more rigid as the base cousin lancer. I don't remember the actual number but its up there or even more, I think I was conservative here.


and I leave it there until you actually show up with a Lancer Evolution crash test. ( hint , there is none as far as I know)
and go back to the RS topic lol
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 06:58 PM
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Thanks for citing the Evo brochure. You should look at the links in more detail.
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 07:15 PM
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Having purchased a wrecked side impacted Evo for parts I can tell you it looked exactly like that normal lancer side impact.

Saying the Evo would do better in side impacts because they have "reinforced shock towers" and such tells me that person knows nothing about crumple zones or crash worthiness.
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
Having purchased a wrecked side impacted Evo for parts I can tell you it looked exactly like that normal lancer side impact.

Saying the Evo would do better in side impacts because they have "reinforced shock towers" and such tells me that person knows nothing about crumple zones or crash worthiness.

weak twisting words.

I asked your side kick to at least once back himself up with an actual facts ( which he hardly if ever does) so not just his only lame comments picking on others with 0 knowledge.
so circle back to the start:

Originally Posted by ambystom01
The Evo 8/9 was also built on an old as ***** chassis and had horrible crash ratings.
where is his Evo horrible crash test results he was referring to?

a bout your comment,its even more funnier when people making statements without any facts to back it up. Hence why I asked for that horrible Evolution crash tests...
There is none. Doesn't exists. Period. Evos never been crash tested in the USA for sure.

So as long as you don't show me an actual crash test with a seem welded - reinforced - add on reinforcements - thicker material - extra braces on the chassis etc Evolution, you simply can not say the EVo has a horrible crash test like your example 2004 Base lancer. It is just a fact.

the new Lancer chassis 2008 and above is about a same percentige stiffer as the older lancer chassis vs the same chassis Evolution. Without add on critical structural reinforcements what the evos have vs the base lancers. Never mind a fact of the different welding etc.
And the new lancer is def. doesn't have a horrible crash test results... so just think about that for a second.
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...oor-sedan/2008

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so I am leave you guys with that.

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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
weak twisting words.

I asked your side kick to at least once back himself up with an actual facts ( which he hardly if ever does) so not just his only lame comments picking on others with 0 knowledge.
so circle back to the start:



where is his Evo horrible crash test results he was referring to?

a bout your comment,its even more funnier when people making statements without any facts to back it up. Hence why I asked for that horrible Evolution crash tests...
There is none. Doesn't exists. Period. Evos never been crash tested in the USA for sure.

So as long as you don't show me an actual crash test with a seem welded - reinforced - add on reinforcements - thicker material - extra braces on the chassis etc Evolution, you simply can not say the EVo has a horrible crash test like your example 2004 Base lancer. It is just a fact.

the new Lancer chassis 2008 and above is about a same percentige stiffer as the older lancer chassis vs the same chassis Evolution.
And the new lancer is def. doesn't have a horrible rash test results... so just think about that for a second.

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so I am leave you guys with that.
OK, so is it your position that the Evo 8 or 9 would do well in a crash test?

It makes me laugh to no end that you of all people are trying to call someone out for not providing evidence.

I had a ****ing stroke last night, right? Like, this thread is my personal purgatory or something.

Here ya go, Rob, the NHTSA did actually test your previous Evo.

http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Shop...vehicleId=1227

And it failed in terms of driver's side impact. Just like you failed in your post.
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
where is his Evo horrible crash test results he was referring to?

a bout your comment,its even more funnier when people making statements without any facts to back it up.
Originally Posted by Robevo RS
Hence why I asked for that horrible Evolution crash tests...

There is none. Doesn't exists. Period. Evos never been crash tested in the USA for sure.
Originally Posted by ambystom01

Here ya go, Rob, the NHTSA did actually test your previous Evo.

http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Shop...vehicleId=1227
I was waiting for you to say these things and then I would post the test to make this all more dramatic and you the fool like usual but it looks like Amby beat me to it... hahahah. Stay ignorant Rob.
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 08:18 PM
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sure.

so they only tested the sides right ? lol that is how you test the car for sure. Actually didn't failed. It actually passed the test , other wise you wouldn't see them on the road.
Failing is what you usually do. Also the 2 start is not horrible lol the 1 start is a poor crash rating, but pass... the passenger is actually 4 star. so in overall its def. not a horrible crash rating. I couldn't find other then side impact crash test, weird.


Also worth to mention the new chassis ( hence why the new Lancers are much heavier ) 56% stronger then the older chassis.
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 08:19 PM
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hahahah the back peddling begins. Just shut up Rob.
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Old Jun 20, 2016 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
sure.

so they only tested the sides right ? lol that is how you test the car for sure. Actually didn't failed. It actually passed the test , other wise you wouldn't see them on the road.
Failing is what you usually do. Also the 2 start is not horrible lol the 1 start is a poor crash rating, but pass... the passenger is actually 4 star. so in overall its def. not a horrible crash rating. I couldn't find other then side impact crash test, weird.


Also worth to mention the new chassis ( hence why the new Lancers are much heavier ) 56% stronger then the older chassis.
Keep back peddling Rob. 2/5 is a fail.

Last I checked, Rob, I was right. I don't know how they do it in Eastern Europe, must here in the free world we consider being right succeeding.

The new Lancer is irrelevant but nice deflection attempt.
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