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Old Aug 22, 2016 | 02:37 PM
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Tossing in the manual rack is for added feel. Those cars are so small, they do well without power steering. The feedback without it is the best of any car i've driven. As for lack of ABS and all the other stuff, that is also for fun. Not the fastest? Don't care. Nobody drives a Miata to be the fastest anyway LOL. It's 100% about the feel and enjoying the car. Then I hop into the Evo to go fast



No way did i see that comment coming LOL. If you consider the car's ECU a "nanny", then I can understand your post.
I assume you are being facetious, though, so :LOL: on me

Anyone ever try autox'ing in a car with all the gadgets on? I couldn't figure out what they car was gonna try to do next LOL. I definitely wasn't in control. Not a feeling I'm into but that's just me.
yeah, autoX. I cant comment on that. i did probably 4 times, and i just dont feel it neither understand it.
Therefor i do not have an opinion on how the "nannies" works there, neither in drag.
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Old Aug 22, 2016 | 02:38 PM
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A depowered rack is better than a full manual. Shorter ratio.
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Old Aug 22, 2016 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
Tossing in the manual rack is for added feel. Those cars are so small, they do well without power steering. The feedback without it is the best of any car i've driven. As for lack of ABS and all the other stuff, that is also for fun. Not the fastest? Don't care. Nobody drives a Miata to be the fastest anyway LOL. It's 100% about the feel and enjoying the car. Then I hop into the Evo to go fast



No way did i see that comment coming LOL. If you consider the car's ECU a "nanny", then I can understand your post.
I assume you are being facetious, though, so :LOL: on me

Anyone ever try autox'ing in a car with all the gadgets on? I couldn't figure out what they car was gonna try to do next LOL. I definitely wasn't in control. Not a feeling I'm into but that's just me.
yah i was just joking around. Computers and electronics are great, humans literally couldnt fly the fighter jets we make now, or travel into space without them. The problem is the electronic systems installed on most consumer vehicles are more programmed to keep things from breaking then pushing them to the limits. The thing is once you can get into those systems and make them work for you amazing things can happen. Just look at the Evo's stock ECU and what can be done with it once people got in there and started pushing the limits.
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Old Aug 22, 2016 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
yeah, autoX. I cant comment on that. i did probably 4 times, and i just dont feel it neither understand it.
Therefor i do not have an opinion on how the "nannies" works there, neither in drag.
Same here. But our local SCCA group runs events every month and they are 10mins from my house. I go because it's better than watching races on TV and I could use the seat time. LOL. Plus it's kinda fun tossing around my car at safe speeds while pissing off the clique that's out there, every time i get fast time of the day. It really shuts them up for a while haha.

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A depowered rack is better than a full manual. Shorter ratio.
Werd. That's a trick from our Honda days. A bit troublesome in parking lots, though

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yah i was just joking around. Computers and electronics are great, humans literally couldnt fly the fighter jets we make now, or travel into space without them. The problem is the electronic systems installed on most consumer vehicles are more programmed to keep things from breaking then pushing them to the limits. The thing is once you can get into those systems and make them work for you amazing things can happen. Just look at the Evo's stock ECU and what can be done with it once people got in there and started pushing the limits.
I figured. Same here. 99% of what I post is either sarcasm or my trying to get info. LOL.
Back to your post: When it comes to engine management, heck yes. Carbs are the enemy haha. I just don't like anything that drives the car for me (a'la GTR). I am okay with ABS for safety and tire-saving reasons (though I have yet to have ABS kick on; I've come really close). I prefer mechanical parts because they are predictable and can be tuned relatively easy (I wouldn't know how to begin tuning my ACD). I know computers make cars silly fast. If I were all about winning championships and all-out fastest lap times, I'd have to give it up to PDK and all the other cool stuff. I just prefer a certain driving experience, so I'll be sticking with my ct9a for a long, long time (even with the acd )
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Old Aug 22, 2016 | 03:43 PM
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^ all said, you need to reach out to English and try out the ACD tune lol
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Old Aug 22, 2016 | 03:48 PM
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^ all said, you need to reach out to English and try out the ACD tune lol
Or get off my wallet, quit being cheap, buy a Tacrix 2.0, and let my tuner send me a ROM. LOL. I have so many other places for the cash to go to.. Aero is next..
But I'll get there, eventually.
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Old Aug 23, 2016 | 08:56 AM
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ACD will do more for you then aero.
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Old Aug 23, 2016 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
ACD will do more for you then aero.
If it keeps me from flying off Riverside at 100mph, sign me up.
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Old Aug 23, 2016 | 07:31 PM
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sorry they asked me to remove it. RS drifting .... lol

anyhow here is something else instead.

https://engineering.mishimoto.com/20...erm=POST000041
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Old Aug 24, 2016 | 08:39 AM
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Regardless of what it can or might do on the track most will live on the street.

So...Ford's best car ever?

http://autoweek.com/article/car-revi...-best-car-ever
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Old Aug 24, 2016 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by moparfan
Regardless of what it can or might do on the track most will live on the street.

So...Ford's best car ever?

http://autoweek.com/article/car-revi...-best-car-ever
nope, fox body master race
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Old Aug 25, 2016 | 09:30 AM
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http://www.focusrs.org/forum/9-focus...laws-real.html

really enjoyable read here. comprehensive, and it summarizes most of what we've been hearing about the fors track behavior
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Old Aug 25, 2016 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
http://www.focusrs.org/forum/9-focus...laws-real.html

really enjoyable read here. comprehensive, and it summarizes most of what we've been hearing about the fors track gbehavior
thank you for this post. really good reading.
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Old Aug 25, 2016 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
http://www.focusrs.org/forum/9-focus...laws-real.html

really enjoyable read here. comprehensive, and it summarizes most of what we've been hearing about the fors track behavior
this quote is taken from the link above
But, and this is a big but, the car still feels like it has a 60:40 weight distribution (and it does!!!). You can't hide form that when you are at the limit, no matter how trick the differential. Most corners feel the same (plus or minus), and it goes something like this: Understeer in. I then lift slightly to help rotate the car to the apex, and progressive throttle. By the apex I am on the power and the differential is pulling me around the corner. It does work as advertised. The understeer stops, and throttle/diff bends the car around the apex and into the desired line for corner exit. For the diff to work, you can't be on the edge of (losing) grip. That is why the really fast drivers say it feels like a FWD car all the time. 60:40 does that in corners. To make the diff do it's job, you need to slow down. Physics wins. This is not a 50:50 mid engined car, and a fancy drive train will not fix the weight distribution.
to me this doesn't sound like a good track car. the point of going to the track is to drive the car at the limit, for me anyway. so this basically means its a street car... and in my haven't driven either car opinion, I think I'd rather have the Golf R.

hopefully someone figures out the control unit for the RDU and can tune it to be useful for at the limit track driving... and cooling obviously



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post isn't directed at kyoo, just quoting for link
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Old Aug 25, 2016 | 11:07 AM
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I think part of the issue with the car not working well at the limit is probably alignment. You can see from his pics of the front tire that the front end needs at least another degree of negative camber. And I'm sure getting toe dialed in would help as well.
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