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Old Aug 25, 2016 | 11:22 AM
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to me this doesn't sound like a good track car. the point of going to the track is to drive the car at the limit, for me anyway. so this basically means its a street car... and in my haven't driven either car opinion, I think I'd rather have the Golf R.

hopefully someone figures out the control unit for the RDU and can tune it to be useful for at the limit track driving... and cooling obviously



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I agree with you there. though, 60/40 aint all that bad (cough cough evos). I don't think it's necessarily bad, not for awd cars
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Old Aug 25, 2016 | 11:34 AM
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No, 60/40 isn't great, period. AWD actually compounds it lol. The tire has to steer, brake, AND put down power. All with a lot of weight on it.
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Old Aug 25, 2016 | 02:27 PM
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I think part of the issue with the car not working well at the limit is probably alignment. You can see from his pics of the front tire that the front end needs at least another degree of negative camber. And I'm sure getting toe dialed in would help as well.
well of course camber will help, but is it really gonna do much about when and how the diff works? I guess we'll see when more people start tracking these
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Old Aug 25, 2016 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
the point of going to the track is to drive the car at the limit, for me anyway.
Sometimes slower is faster. In the case of this car it would seem, anyway. It may be all about learning a new way to drive?
I wonder if it's faster when the aggression is dialed back a bit. That would be awkward. And less fun. LOL
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Old Aug 26, 2016 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by kaj
Sometimes slower is faster. In the case of this car it would seem, anyway. It may be all about learning a new way to drive?
I wonder if it's faster when the aggression is dialed back a bit. That would be awkward. And less fun. LOL
in my mind the "slower is faster" relates to the driver ability, and not for the car ... just saying.

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Old Aug 26, 2016 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
in my mind the "slower is faster" relates to the driver ability, and not for the car ... just saying.

A driver has to know the strengths and weaknesses of the car, so yes: the driver. Also, i could be more precise and say "gentler is faster". Since slower would be....well...slower LOL
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Old Aug 26, 2016 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by kaj
A driver has to know the strengths and weaknesses of the car, so yes: the driver. Also, i could be more precise and say "gentler is faster". Since slower would be....well...slower LOL
great answer, i like it
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Old Aug 26, 2016 | 09:39 AM
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A lot of conditionals in here.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/08/hyu...-rival-to.html
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Old Aug 26, 2016 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
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But, and this is a big but, the car still feels like it has a 60:40 weight distribution (and it does!!!). You can't hide form that when you are at the limit, no matter how trick the differential. Most corners feel the same (plus or minus), and it goes something like this: Understeer in. I then lift slightly to help rotate the car to the apex, and progressive throttle. By the apex I am on the power and the differential is pulling me around the corner. It does work as advertised. The understeer stops, and throttle/diff bends the car around the apex and into the desired line for corner exit. For the diff to work, you can't be on the edge of (losing) grip. That is why the really fast drivers say it feels like a FWD car all the time. 60:40 does that in corners. To make the diff do it's job, you need to slow down. Physics wins. This is not a 50:50 mid engined car, and a fancy drive train will not fix the weight distribution.
to me this doesn't sound like a good track car. the point of going to the track is to drive the car at the limit, for me anyway. so this basically means its a street car... and in my haven't driven either car opinion, I think I'd rather have the Golf R.

hopefully someone figures out the control unit for the RDU and can tune it to be useful for at the limit track driving... and cooling obviously



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The part you highlighted, when I read it, would more or less apply to nearly every stock front biased AWD car (Evo, STi, Golf R, A3, etc) ever made. The front tires get obliterated by having to do so much work, so the car understeers. Thus the fast way to drive is slow in fast out. If you try to drive it like a Miata or Cayman, it doesn't work.

I do agree that it sounds like Ford made a fantastic street and auto-x car, that may not be very good on the track, at least not without a lot of work. And if you're going to do a lot of work (read: spend money) for a track car, why not start with a better platform?
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Old Aug 26, 2016 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by kaj
Sometimes slower is faster. In the case of this car it would seem, anyway. It may be all about learning a new way to drive?
I wonder if it's faster when the aggression is dialed back a bit. That would be awkward. And less fun. LOL
kinda what I was getting at

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The part you highlighted, when I read it, would more or less apply to nearly every stock front biased AWD car (Evo, STi, Golf R, A3, etc) ever made. The front tires get obliterated by having to do so much work, so the car understeers. Thus the fast way to drive is slow in fast out. If you try to drive it like a Miata or Cayman, it doesn't work.

I do agree that it sounds like Ford made a fantastic street and auto-x car, that may not be very good on the track, at least not without a lot of work. And if you're going to do a lot of work (read: spend money) for a track car, why not start with a better platform?
I guess that makes sense... I never tracked my Evo, only autox. and I've only tracked slow cars (rsx and miata)
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Old Aug 26, 2016 | 11:02 AM
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how about that... The possibility for a real Rvo replacement on the market?.....

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...ampaign=buffer

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Old Aug 26, 2016 | 11:11 AM
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A front-wheel drive hatch?
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Old Aug 26, 2016 | 11:34 AM
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Because the Hyundai Genesis coupe was so great.
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Old Aug 26, 2016 | 11:40 AM
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that looks like a veloster with gram lights.
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Old Aug 26, 2016 | 11:47 AM
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A front-wheel drive hatch?
And its a Hyundai...lol
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