If you have a car that has its suspension setup for an awd with some fancy torque vectoring at the rear, and it suddenly becomes fwd, of course it's gonna understeer more

 

The 2003 with the front open diff understeered. So does a a 05 stock, not as bad as the 03 but it did. I know, I had one.

Just trying to inject some reality back into this thread. Most people forget what stock evos feel like.

Hell, when I got my 2014 I was reminded how F'in slow a stock Evo 10 is. I think I flashed it that afternoon.

 

Congrats, you quoted my question but then 100% deflected and talked about something else.

Go drive a stock BMW 135i and tell me if it plows like a tug boat.

 

What? How did I talk about something else? The topic was the FoRS understeer into cause the RDU doesn't always work correctly... As in it would understeer less (or maybe not at all, who knows) if the RDU was working

 

If the RS in stock form prevents the novice track driver from completing a 20 minute lapping session because the RDU goes into limp mode - I would say that's very disappointing. And should not happen.

But if the RS in stock form can't handle being thrown around a track at 10/10ths for 20 minutes prior to a cooldown - by someone who has years and years of experience driving (especially one in a modified AWD car) because the RDU goes into limp mode - I'm still disappointed in it but I'm not immediately going to get my pitchfork. I think the vast majority of cars from the factory are not going to make it through that session in the hands of a capable driver.

Also question - Why would someone buy an RS (with the intention of doing some serious racing with it) if they already own a track car? What car were you coming from where the RS is the next logical step? Like the guy in the Optima challenge on Vorshlag's thread - he had a well sorted out evo he competed with for years, but then went back to a stock RS. Doesn't make any sense. I would have bought a car with the equivalent performance to the modified evo and went from there.

To me the RS is perfect for a novice who wants to do some track nights in america, HPDE, autocross, etc. to get their feet wet where they mainly use the car as a DD. By the time that novice get good/comfortable in subsequent seasons - there'll be cooling solutions on the market if they want to get a little more serious and visit the track more often.

It would make sense if an experienced auto-x was interested in the RS because of where it ends up being classed. There's that too.

 

Change of pace
Warranty.
A cool new toy.
To have the first RS in the US.
Modern conveniences.
Improved build quality.
Potential.
Etc.
Etc

 

I agree that there's many reasons to buy the RS in general, when it's going to be a multipurpose car. But if your first priority is to replace your current track car (that's an evo/sti) that you participate in competitions with, why go with the RS?

If you're looking for a track car it seems to me that going to an RS from an evo/sti or something similar in terms of a front heavy car is a lateral move and it doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Just my opinion.

 

sure, without AYC.
I couldn't believe they butchered the Evo like that, for the USA market. LOL

in the USA the CT9A never got the AYC, its really sad, technically the ACD and the AYC makes the Evo legend on street. Can be argued, at the time they were a best or not, but still became a legend because of the drive train mainly.

So the USA CT9A platform is really not a good comparison in this technology what the RS got. Really its just a mute point. The 2015 FE the last or the latest Evo would be a closest comparison as a production car of the Evo lines. I think we can agree on that, because of the closest release date.

I firmly believe the RS will do magic in stock vs stock comparison in any car in her class. I thought we over that debate.

 

Because nobody knew the car's potential or faults. Maybe it could be better. There isn't enough info out there to know if it's better, worse, or a lateral move. Some made the leap of faith. Time will tell if it was good move or not.

Moot.

 

Who let Rob out of his cage again?

 

I was going to respond to his post but eh.

I think the track thing is being overblown. Very, very few cars can safely handle hard track days completely stock - save for cars that are practically built for track (911 GT3 RS), almost every single production car needs at least a handful of tweaks before being able to track. Some more, some less.

The more complicated, the worse it is for consistent, dependable road racing. The FoRS sounds like one of the cars that will need more, on top of a number of improved cooling devices. It's July/Aug that this car came out, will be bad with 100deg ambient temps. Ford may even bolster the oil and RDU cooling, or sell it as a track package like they do for some mustangs.

The complicated drive system and it's impact on handling and track may just be something that plagues this car. They're shutting down now for overheating but who knows what other issues will come up after repeated use. Didn't most Evo Xs that are doing regular track days drop SAYC for a number of reasons? The ones that are still out road racing anyway. What's nice about handling issues that are purely suspension related are they are easy to fix. Except on this car, where they put a cup were a camber plate should go lol.

 

If Nissan can do it, Ford should be able to. IMO, the RS should be a lot less difficult to get track ready than a GTR.

 

Hopefully they'll zip through this day.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ng-school.html

 

Still no.
"Most"? Come on, man.

 

yep, it is a "No" .

i did dropped mine, because its faster and cheaper to replace it, never mind the fact rally wont allow active rear by the rules.
(Probabaly because they doesnt work as good as the mechanical counter part... lol) Also have more room the stock LSD housing to route the exhaust higher under the car.

Some how Kyoo thinks on stock to mildly modifyed cars the LSD works better, which is false. I dont think he ever had a chance to compere the to platform extensively on the ct9a. Which is explain his point of view.
The AYC was a killer from the 6 and above, and got better each model line.


The LSD start working better when you start pushing over 450+ whp, under that the ACD- AYC combo is extremly good and reilable in the evo. Hence why Evo became what it is.

Also the Evos also well known of the weak rear end AYC or LSD. Its just a way it is with the Evos.

Now the RS didnt show much yet, what it can do or not. So i wouldnt comment on wihich would be better on stockish form, the LSD or what they have. But i have a good guess, it will be a same as the Evo.
If you are in a designed power range, the Active rear will stomp on the mechanical counter part.