Focus RS
Are you secretly a 13 year old girl behind the keyboard?
No you really don't. Civil jurisdictions require a long and complex set of laws that are all encompassing. There is little to no room for any kind of equitable or novel arguments.
A lot of what you see in the US is honestly bad reporting. Each case turns on the particular facts of that case.
A great example is the infamous "McDonald's coffee" case. I don't know how many times people have ranted to me about how it's proof that the legal system is ****ed and lawyers are vultures.
In reality, the case is an example of fundamental tort law in action. The woman suffered significant 3rd degree burns because McDonald's was, knowingly, keeping their coffee at such a high temperature that they were cited multiple times for it. Why did they do it? Because it saved them money from people getting free coffee by complaining that it was cold. McDonald's openly put saving a dollar here and there ahead of public safety.
At first the woman only wanted McDonald's to pay her medical fees. They told her to screw off. In her lawsuit, she sought the same thing. It was actually a jury, who heard how heartless and callous McDonald's was, that decided she should get millions. Her award was reduced on appeal.
A lot of what you see in the US is honestly bad reporting. Each case turns on the particular facts of that case.
A great example is the infamous "McDonald's coffee" case. I don't know how many times people have ranted to me about how it's proof that the legal system is ****ed and lawyers are vultures.
In reality, the case is an example of fundamental tort law in action. The woman suffered significant 3rd degree burns because McDonald's was, knowingly, keeping their coffee at such a high temperature that they were cited multiple times for it. Why did they do it? Because it saved them money from people getting free coffee by complaining that it was cold. McDonald's openly put saving a dollar here and there ahead of public safety.
At first the woman only wanted McDonald's to pay her medical fees. They told her to screw off. In her lawsuit, she sought the same thing. It was actually a jury, who heard how heartless and callous McDonald's was, that decided she should get millions. Her award was reduced on appeal.
The case has been twisted and spun so badly that now people try to use it as proof that tort reform is needed. The reforms interest groups talk about would limit the ability of legitimately injured people to recover fair compensation.
Somewhere down in the line we all have to realize we are responsible for our actions. Specifically when its really straight forward and common sense. like having a hot coffe in your hands might burn you... lol
Its really elementary level or in fact way below that.
The Ford RS case we might will see some very similar cases when they will try to point out the button was pushed down properly, and the car didnt respond it away it supposed to. lol
Trying to blame a car, like the person with a cruise control long time ago.
".... Mrs. Merv Grazinski, ofOklahoma City, Oklahoma, who supposedly purchased a new 32-foot Winnebago motor home, was the winner. On her first trip home, from a football game, having driven on to the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the driver’s seat to go to the back of the Winnebago to make herself a sandwich. Not surprisingly, the motor home left the freeway, crashed and overturned. Also not surprisingly, Mrs. Grazinski was supposed to have sued Winnebago for not putting in the owner’s manual that she couldn’t actually leave the driver’s seat while the cruise control was set. It was reported that an Oklahoma jury had awarded the woman $1,750,000 plus a new motor home. It was also said that Winnebago actually changed their manuals as a result of this suit, just in case Mrs. Grazinski has any relatives who might also buy a motor home. The e-mail that announced the award concludes: “Are we, as a society, getting more stupid?”
Its really elementary level or in fact way below that.
The Ford RS case we might will see some very similar cases when they will try to point out the button was pushed down properly, and the car didnt respond it away it supposed to. lol
Trying to blame a car, like the person with a cruise control long time ago.
".... Mrs. Merv Grazinski, ofOklahoma City, Oklahoma, who supposedly purchased a new 32-foot Winnebago motor home, was the winner. On her first trip home, from a football game, having driven on to the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the driver’s seat to go to the back of the Winnebago to make herself a sandwich. Not surprisingly, the motor home left the freeway, crashed and overturned. Also not surprisingly, Mrs. Grazinski was supposed to have sued Winnebago for not putting in the owner’s manual that she couldn’t actually leave the driver’s seat while the cruise control was set. It was reported that an Oklahoma jury had awarded the woman $1,750,000 plus a new motor home. It was also said that Winnebago actually changed their manuals as a result of this suit, just in case Mrs. Grazinski has any relatives who might also buy a motor home. The e-mail that announced the award concludes: “Are we, as a society, getting more stupid?”
Last edited by Robevo RS; Sep 7, 2016 at 02:11 PM.
Somewhere down in the line we all have to realize we are responsible for our actions. Specifically when its really straight forward and common sense. like having a hot coffe in your hands might burn you... lol
Its really elementary level or in fact way below that.
The Ford RS case we might will see some very similar cases when they will try to point out the button was pushed down properly, and the car didnt respond it away it supposed to. lol
Trying to blame a car, like the person with a cruise control long time ago.
".... Mrs. Merv Grazinski, ofOklahoma City, Oklahoma, who supposedly purchased a new 32-foot Winnebago motor home, was the winner. On her first trip home, from a football game, having driven on to the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the driver’s seat to go to the back of the Winnebago to make herself a sandwich. Not surprisingly, the motor home left the freeway, crashed and overturned. Also not surprisingly, Mrs. Grazinski was supposed to have sued Winnebago for not putting in the owner’s manual that she couldn’t actually leave the driver’s seat while the cruise control was set. It was reported that an Oklahoma jury had awarded the woman $1,750,000 plus a new motor home. It was also said that Winnebago actually changed their manuals as a result of this suit, just in case Mrs. Grazinski has any relatives who might also buy a motor home. The e-mail that announced the award concludes: “Are we, as a society, getting more stupid?”
Its really elementary level or in fact way below that.
The Ford RS case we might will see some very similar cases when they will try to point out the button was pushed down properly, and the car didnt respond it away it supposed to. lol
Trying to blame a car, like the person with a cruise control long time ago.
".... Mrs. Merv Grazinski, ofOklahoma City, Oklahoma, who supposedly purchased a new 32-foot Winnebago motor home, was the winner. On her first trip home, from a football game, having driven on to the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the driver’s seat to go to the back of the Winnebago to make herself a sandwich. Not surprisingly, the motor home left the freeway, crashed and overturned. Also not surprisingly, Mrs. Grazinski was supposed to have sued Winnebago for not putting in the owner’s manual that she couldn’t actually leave the driver’s seat while the cruise control was set. It was reported that an Oklahoma jury had awarded the woman $1,750,000 plus a new motor home. It was also said that Winnebago actually changed their manuals as a result of this suit, just in case Mrs. Grazinski has any relatives who might also buy a motor home. The e-mail that announced the award concludes: “Are we, as a society, getting more stupid?”
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
Winnebago case is obviously frivolous.
See, another person that doesn't know the facts of the case. McDonalds was serving unreasonably HOT coffee. It's temperature was well beyond industry standards for hot coffee.
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
Winnebago case is obviously frivolous.
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
Winnebago case is obviously frivolous.
Boom, it's a Legend on Snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp
http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20...lawsuit-claims
No such Winnebago lawsuit ever happened. It's an urban legend. Yet that and many similarly outrageous and entertaining but fictional accounts of civil courts gone mad often appear together, in e-mail chain letters and such, presented as truth.
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lol
that's got to do some significant head-slap damage
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/09/06/f...ng-gone-wrong/
Yeah, zero tolerance from the club... you can hear on the video that isn't really so
http://jalopnik.com/watch-this-ford-...nto-1786210325
This randomly popped up on my youtube search
that's got to do some significant head-slap damage
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/09/06/f...ng-gone-wrong/
Yeah, zero tolerance from the club... you can hear on the video that isn't really so
http://jalopnik.com/watch-this-ford-...nto-1786210325
This randomly popped up on my youtube search
Last edited by moparfan; Sep 7, 2016 at 05:25 PM.
I always wonder how we can setup our cars to rotate like the X in the video, and many more Evos like it.
It's as if ACD knows how to direct torque rearward?
But it's 50/50 split..so it's not just rearward torque transfer.
Cusco videos show same in gymkhana prepped cars, and many rally cars behave like that, famous video showing Richard Burns Evo 5 GrA drifting is one of older examples.
Rob: can you shed some light?
How to setup diffs to rotate on Tarmac at will?
Rob: do you run Ralliart Supertraction or Cusco/KAAZ plated front diff?
I think you used AYC but moved to RS plated for reliability on gravel.
I'd like to add that some of forum members here write/speak so aggressively and condensendingy that it's "un adult", you should be polite and uphold forum code of respectful conduct.
Say Rob here built real race car he campaigns nationally, car and him are more accomplished and experienced than most of us and our cars ever will be.
I work with 90% non-White English as second language professional, in Silicon Valley: we don't discount one another for some orthographic errors.
I think we need to show a bit of restraint, if you ever read what you posted in a few years you may realize how bizzare it is for grown man to speak to another grown man in an open forum of enthusiasts sharing same interest and discussing another car they all like, trying to evaluate its performance for lack of data in the fields and massive marketing driven speculation.
I grew up in Ford RS family, dad had Mk2 Escort Rs2000 I learned to drive hard on.
I always gravitated toward Ford, and had Mustang 5.0 at one point.
We all love Evos, we are here..
So let's not get angry about Focus RS.
It's as if ACD knows how to direct torque rearward?
But it's 50/50 split..so it's not just rearward torque transfer.
Cusco videos show same in gymkhana prepped cars, and many rally cars behave like that, famous video showing Richard Burns Evo 5 GrA drifting is one of older examples.
Rob: can you shed some light?
How to setup diffs to rotate on Tarmac at will?
Rob: do you run Ralliart Supertraction or Cusco/KAAZ plated front diff?
I think you used AYC but moved to RS plated for reliability on gravel.
I'd like to add that some of forum members here write/speak so aggressively and condensendingy that it's "un adult", you should be polite and uphold forum code of respectful conduct.
Say Rob here built real race car he campaigns nationally, car and him are more accomplished and experienced than most of us and our cars ever will be.
I work with 90% non-White English as second language professional, in Silicon Valley: we don't discount one another for some orthographic errors.
I think we need to show a bit of restraint, if you ever read what you posted in a few years you may realize how bizzare it is for grown man to speak to another grown man in an open forum of enthusiasts sharing same interest and discussing another car they all like, trying to evaluate its performance for lack of data in the fields and massive marketing driven speculation.
I grew up in Ford RS family, dad had Mk2 Escort Rs2000 I learned to drive hard on.
I always gravitated toward Ford, and had Mustang 5.0 at one point.
We all love Evos, we are here..
So let's not get angry about Focus RS.
Last edited by alpinaturbo; Sep 7, 2016 at 07:03 PM.
Rob gets bugged out of honest jest, adults do indeed make jokes about other adults, and in part because of some comments that come across as condescending and arrogant. Yes, Rob races. That doesn't make him an expert on every topic he feels the need to add his two cents on. I'm not trying to start something, I'm just providing an explanation.
Rob gets bugged out of honest jest, adults do indeed make jokes about other adults, and in part because of some comments that come across as condescending and arrogant. Yes, Rob races. That doesn't make him an expert on every topic he feels the need to add his two cents on. I'm not trying to start something, I'm just providing an explanation.
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I always wonder how we can setup our cars to rotate like the X in the video, and many more Evos like it.
It's as if ACD knows how to direct torque rearward?
But it's 50/50 split..so it's not just rearward torque transfer.
Cusco videos show same in gymkhana prepped cars, and many rally cars behave like that, famous video showing Richard Burns Evo 5 GrA drifting is one of older examples.
Rob: can you shed some light?
How to setup diffs to rotate on Tarmac at will?
Rob: do you run Ralliart Supertraction or Cusco/KAAZ plated front diff?
I think you used AYC but moved to RS plated for reliability on gravel.
I'd like to add that some of forum members here write/speak so aggressively and condensendingy that it's "un adult", you should be polite and uphold forum code of respectful conduct.
Say Rob here built real race car he campaigns nationally, car and him are more accomplished and experienced than most of us and our cars ever will be.
I work with 90% non-White English as second language professional, in Silicon Valley: we don't discount one another for some orthographic errors.
I think we need to show a bit of restraint, if you ever read what you posted in a few years you may realize how bizzare it is for grown man to speak to another grown man in an open forum of enthusiasts sharing same interest and discussing another car they all like, trying to evaluate its performance for lack of data in the fields and massive marketing driven speculation.
I grew up in Ford RS family, dad had Mk2 Escort Rs2000 I learned to drive hard on.
I always gravitated toward Ford, and had Mustang 5.0 at one point.
We all love Evos, we are here..
So let's not get angry about Focus RS.
It's as if ACD knows how to direct torque rearward?
But it's 50/50 split..so it's not just rearward torque transfer.
Cusco videos show same in gymkhana prepped cars, and many rally cars behave like that, famous video showing Richard Burns Evo 5 GrA drifting is one of older examples.
Rob: can you shed some light?
How to setup diffs to rotate on Tarmac at will?
Rob: do you run Ralliart Supertraction or Cusco/KAAZ plated front diff?
I think you used AYC but moved to RS plated for reliability on gravel.
I'd like to add that some of forum members here write/speak so aggressively and condensendingy that it's "un adult", you should be polite and uphold forum code of respectful conduct.
Say Rob here built real race car he campaigns nationally, car and him are more accomplished and experienced than most of us and our cars ever will be.
I work with 90% non-White English as second language professional, in Silicon Valley: we don't discount one another for some orthographic errors.
I think we need to show a bit of restraint, if you ever read what you posted in a few years you may realize how bizzare it is for grown man to speak to another grown man in an open forum of enthusiasts sharing same interest and discussing another car they all like, trying to evaluate its performance for lack of data in the fields and massive marketing driven speculation.
I grew up in Ford RS family, dad had Mk2 Escort Rs2000 I learned to drive hard on.
I always gravitated toward Ford, and had Mustang 5.0 at one point.
We all love Evos, we are here..
So let's not get angry about Focus RS.
I always wonder how we can setup our cars to rotate like the X in the video, and many more Evos like it.
It's as if ACD knows how to direct torque rearward?
But it's 50/50 split..so it's not just rearward torque transfer.
Cusco videos show same in gymkhana prepped cars, and many rally cars behave like that, famous video showing Richard Burns Evo 5 GrA drifting is one of older examples.
Rob: can you shed some light?
How to setup diffs to rotate on Tarmac at will?
Rob: do you run Ralliart Supertraction or Cusco/KAAZ plated front diff?
I think you used AYC but moved to RS plated for reliability on gravel.
I'd like to add that some of forum members here write/speak so aggressively and condensendingy that it's "un adult", you should be polite and uphold forum code of respectful conduct.
Say Rob here built real race car he campaigns nationally, car and him are more accomplished and experienced than most of us and our cars ever will be.
I work with 90% non-White English as second language professional, in Silicon Valley: we don't discount one another for some orthographic errors.
I think we need to show a bit of restraint, if you ever read what you posted in a few years you may realize how bizzare it is for grown man to speak to another grown man in an open forum of enthusiasts sharing same interest and discussing another car they all like, trying to evaluate its performance for lack of data in the fields and massive marketing driven speculation.
I grew up in Ford RS family, dad had Mk2 Escort Rs2000 I learned to drive hard on.
I always gravitated toward Ford, and had Mustang 5.0 at one point.
We all love Evos, we are here..
So let's not get angry about Focus RS.
It's as if ACD knows how to direct torque rearward?
But it's 50/50 split..so it's not just rearward torque transfer.
Cusco videos show same in gymkhana prepped cars, and many rally cars behave like that, famous video showing Richard Burns Evo 5 GrA drifting is one of older examples.
Rob: can you shed some light?
How to setup diffs to rotate on Tarmac at will?
Rob: do you run Ralliart Supertraction or Cusco/KAAZ plated front diff?
I think you used AYC but moved to RS plated for reliability on gravel.
I'd like to add that some of forum members here write/speak so aggressively and condensendingy that it's "un adult", you should be polite and uphold forum code of respectful conduct.
Say Rob here built real race car he campaigns nationally, car and him are more accomplished and experienced than most of us and our cars ever will be.
I work with 90% non-White English as second language professional, in Silicon Valley: we don't discount one another for some orthographic errors.
I think we need to show a bit of restraint, if you ever read what you posted in a few years you may realize how bizzare it is for grown man to speak to another grown man in an open forum of enthusiasts sharing same interest and discussing another car they all like, trying to evaluate its performance for lack of data in the fields and massive marketing driven speculation.
I grew up in Ford RS family, dad had Mk2 Escort Rs2000 I learned to drive hard on.
I always gravitated toward Ford, and had Mustang 5.0 at one point.
We all love Evos, we are here..
So let's not get angry about Focus RS.
that needs a certain level of manners an intelligence.
School can add on to intelligence but cant really lift it up to high . That is all i have to say about that. Thanks for the kind words.
about the video, i am pretty sure he initiate the rotation with the e brake, and he has enough power (TQ)to keep the momentum going. He might also have a much harder compound or higher pressure at the rear. Seems very smoky.
With Ebrake you can rotate the car in very tight radius, i did show that in person at one Evo meet for those who where interested.
Here i am taking passenger to show how i do it:
as i said it before my car is very close to stock (drive train wise mechanically ), and i do not have any aftermarket diff at the front neither the rear. Stock (open) front/ mid diff, Evo IX stock rear, with a RA diff plate.only the suspension - brakes and clutch is changed.
Bushings - control arms etc is stock and a same as the car came with in 2008 including transmission etc.
Talking about reliability.
I did the rear diff change only because its easier to swap and cheaper to replace, if its must. It does turn i think a little bit less easier then it did with the AYC, i think.
The GEMS ACD unit helps tremendously at braking, accelerating.
you see here how much understeers as soon as loosing momentum because the slow speed and slippery surface. Immediately shows the open front diff
i love the RS and i always had a sweet spot for them in my heart
Last edited by Robevo RS; Sep 7, 2016 at 08:03 PM.
Don't read anything varbatum, assume - safety I might add - Rob is a gentleman and has shown that by not unleashing on so many of you who are ultimately very abrasive and continue to challenge the person-their persona/intellect- instead of challenging the subject matter.
If you participate in professional/business meeting/discussion and come across this way, you would be more then likely asked to leave the meeting: your superior/manager may then be forced to remove you from participating again.
Yes, that is fact.
So practice here cordial discorse and without mentioning or insinuating author present arguments to refute or support a position/point-of-view/evaluation conclusion...
Please.
Rob
Thanks for hand brake and high tire pressure feedback.
My VCU is not handbrake friendly, and am considering moving to ACD with reflash to keep AYC, someday.
If you participate in professional/business meeting/discussion and come across this way, you would be more then likely asked to leave the meeting: your superior/manager may then be forced to remove you from participating again.
Yes, that is fact.
So practice here cordial discorse and without mentioning or insinuating author present arguments to refute or support a position/point-of-view/evaluation conclusion...
Please.
Rob
Thanks for hand brake and high tire pressure feedback.
My VCU is not handbrake friendly, and am considering moving to ACD with reflash to keep AYC, someday.