oh boy. Noize you better move us to X vs 8/9 lol! "extremely good and reliable"? there's a reason you've seen the Xs drop off in road racing since 11-12, and it's not cuz the 8/9 is a cheaper chassis!! lol! really though, aside from weekend hpde guys, how many successful evo x's are still racing (w2w, ta, solo) on their ayc?

BTW, not saying AYC works less-well on stock-mild cars - I think the proof is there the AYC is better. Once you start getting serious a/b road racing though, you need a mechanical Salisbury, period. For cost, reliability (and repair tied in with both), and consistency. Marginal loss of speed if any. Well documented by now how much evo 9s gain from os gikens & other salisburys, and even milder diffs, i.e., TRE's modded version. 10x better than the stock rear end, and haven't heard of anyone blowing theirs. Mechanical diffs for all day long track days. I'd also contend the rear diff is only weak for drag racing, haven't seen much if any failures from mechanical diffs in track. Maybe more in autox with beefy rcomps and launches.

The FoRS doesn't have the ability to swap in a mechanical, so they will have to rely on extensive use of coolers, and hopefully Ford will beef up the system as the platform progresses.

 

The real reason is LSD is easier because you can predict exactly what it will do. The AYC is still an un-cracked black box. If you could alter the AYC programming then it may well be different because then it can add "more".

 

I've always been a fan of mechanical parts. I'm not so much a fan of computerized stuff.

 

There was some element of that earlier on in slaloms for AYC but I think that's less of an issue on the track. It's more so the reliability for me. I get a huge push from the rear with my Cusco rear diff. The rest of the behavior can be so easily changed with suspension modifications.

What's nice about the RS is it sounds like you can adjust the behavior of the rear end - would be cool if the AYC can be programmed to include that as well, like with the ACD. Once they fix the cooling issues, no doubt it can be an all day long track beater.

side note: I've never seen a community attack aftermarket vendors the way the FoRS community has. it's like any part that is released that improves OEM is perceived as an insult to the OEM owners.. wow. no thanks for actually trying to improve the car, just accusations of only wanting to sell stuff

 

me neithet but regardless, they can do wonders. After you learned them, you can really appreciate they work

 

LOL funny. On a similar note, some of the Honda guys are like that, about certain models. Though they are that way because anything other than OEM "ruins the balance" of the car. LOL
I beg to differ. Mine was much faster and drove great with the mods I had.
But yeah, most car communities are weird in their own ways.

 

I appreciate them, just don't want them. I'm half tempted to find a Miata with manual steering and take it to autocross events, just so I can enjoy no nannies.

 

Power steering is not a nanny...lol

 

it's interesting, I've recently seen a wave of race cars, including miatas, go back to running a power steering rack. I think the pros outweigh the cons, which I agree with for sure

 

to me, no nanny which makes you faster is a bad thing. I am not that good of the driver who can say, i am better then any help i can get. Saying, help/ nannies just slows me down.

Ill take any help as long as fits in the rules, to make me faster comfortable. Becasue when i am driving comfortable, i tend to be faster, and its a biggest deal...safer.

 

Yah screw computers, what have they ever done for us.... oh wait literally everything at this point. Better convert to a carburetor, cause you dont want that nanny computer controlling your engine...

 

FYI, just saw from yesterday they determined it is the "PTU" (power transfer unit) that is causing the awd off mode. I would assume vendors are working on improving the cooling for that bit to prevent it from happening now, rather than the RDU

 

I learned a longtime ago on an Audi Quattro 4000, with 2 manual locking differential, that when diff's are locked up the rear will come along with sufficient throttle and steering input. You can get adjustable ACD boxes, but you lose AYC. Full Race has a piggyback unit that may allow adjustment of both. If AYC ever gets cracked on the Evo X I think it'll be a big effect.

 

That makes sense because it has to protect the RDU. If the PTU doesnt disconnect it may then start grenadine the RDUs. Remember once the RDU is "on" it doing all kinds of slippage to get the torque split needed and the torque vectoring called for in that driving condition. It moves the problem to the RDU.

While I can see the aftermarket coming closer to the limit, the inherent limit still exists because there is no awd without the RDU slipping to create awd. The Evo X can just let the center clutch packs sit idle and you still have awd, albeit with an unlocked diff.

 

Tossing in the manual rack is for added feel. Those cars are so small, they do well without power steering. The feedback without it is the best of any car i've driven. As for lack of ABS and all the other stuff, that is also for fun. Not the fastest? Don't care. Nobody drives a Miata to be the fastest anyway LOL. It's 100% about the feel and enjoying the car. Then I hop into the Evo to go fast

No way did i see that comment coming LOL. If you consider the car's ECU a "nanny", then I can understand your post.
I assume you are being facetious, though, so :LOL: on me

Anyone ever try autox'ing in a car with all the gadgets on? I couldn't figure out what they car was gonna try to do next LOL. I definitely wasn't in control. Not a feeling I'm into but that's just me.