Focus RS
Apr 6, 2017, 08:39 PM
#5297
Evolved Member
Just about anything can be made to rotate eventually. According to the Archer brothers the viscous diff eagle talons used to rotate like a **** too, with a big *** rear sway bar. Until they snap oversteered.
Last edited by moparfan; Apr 6, 2017 at 10:16 PM.
Apr 7, 2017, 04:28 AM
#5298
Are you sure about that? I am not up on my WRC rules history, its actually quite complex, but there are multiple sites on the internet (I know what can you trust these days) claiming "in 2001, Mitsubishi was forced by the FIA to race in the WRC using WRC rules for building a car instead of the Group A class rules, and thus did not need to follow homologation rules."
https://sites.google.com/site/mymits.../evolution-vii
https://sites.google.com/site/mymits.../evolution-vii
What most Evo owners still doesnt understand , we literally drive a Homolog ready cars... Engine transmission etc is already homolog so as the most suspension parts etc.
We do drive a base race car, its a fact. What do you think why our engine etc so strong?
The Difference between Evos is the RS are homolog and the GSR has to need more changes to be start ready vs the RS. Long story, but this is the basics.
Apr 7, 2017, 04:34 AM
#5299
i am not. What do you think why the ACD evos back then were faster then anything around even the early WRC car?
The reason why the stopped the group A because the active diff... There for the Mitsubishi lost all the advantige they had. Funny part is Group N where the ACD is allowed, the 10 years old mitsubishis just right behind the WRC cars... lollolol
Not anymore. some reason the WRC bought back the Active diffs.....
Now the Evo has no more chance.
The ACD is truly amazing, and the ACD AYC combo turns a lot better then the VI.
Vi has only 1 advantage over the later versions is the weight. But We talking about only stock form here. Other then that the VIII -IX - X is a better car. I am not sure about the VII i would call it a wash there.
The reason why the stopped the group A because the active diff... There for the Mitsubishi lost all the advantige they had. Funny part is Group N where the ACD is allowed, the 10 years old mitsubishis just right behind the WRC cars... lollolol
Not anymore. some reason the WRC bought back the Active diffs.....
Now the Evo has no more chance.
The ACD is truly amazing, and the ACD AYC combo turns a lot better then the VI.
Vi has only 1 advantage over the later versions is the weight. But We talking about only stock form here. Other then that the VIII -IX - X is a better car. I am not sure about the VII i would call it a wash there.
Apr 7, 2017, 07:24 PM
#5301
A ford Focus RS problem as mentioned previously in this thread.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ealers-attack/
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ealers-attack/
Apr 14, 2017, 03:14 PM
#5303
Evolved Member
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...e-drive-review
In case you missed it, this was their, C&D's, explanation for the Ford Focus RS being dinged in the 10 best competition:
(was this one of the first major outlets to throw some shade?)
http://blog.caranddriver.com/wheres-...-make-the-cut/
In case you missed it, this was their, C&D's, explanation for the Ford Focus RS being dinged in the 10 best competition:
(was this one of the first major outlets to throw some shade?)
http://blog.caranddriver.com/wheres-...-make-the-cut/
Last edited by moparfan; Apr 14, 2017 at 03:20 PM.
Apr 14, 2017, 11:20 PM
#5306
Buddy has an RS, great car, can handle mods fairly well and its a monster on the track. But id rather have an evo 9 any day of the week. Glad I got rid of my subie too.
Jun 17, 2017, 10:10 AM
#5307
im in the weeds on this front LSD discussion - many are arguing that an LSD adds understeer, based on no understanding of their own but an in-car interview with one of the GKN product heads who seems to contradict everything known about LSDs:
http://www.focusrs.org/forum/31-focu...slip-diff.html
http://www.focusrs.org/forum/31-focu...slip-diff.html
Jun 17, 2017, 12:45 PM
#5308
Evolved Member
When the group A cars went away, for me, the WRC died. Yeah, Mitsubishi was the best, so competitors, go make a better car. Constructing a special chassis for WRC is same as NASCAR. They both went the same route and when they did I lost interest in both.
I drive a 2003 Evo and it is a very good handling car - way better than any conventional passenger vehicle. Would an ACD AYC car be better. Better for racing but not sure about better for DD. I don't have to mess with failure prone pumps and where do I go to have a torque vectoring axle repaired. On my car everything is simple and fixable. Its given 14 years of service and is just now starting to cost me money. And some of that money being spent is because I want another 14 years.
I drive a 2003 Evo and it is a very good handling car - way better than any conventional passenger vehicle. Would an ACD AYC car be better. Better for racing but not sure about better for DD. I don't have to mess with failure prone pumps and where do I go to have a torque vectoring axle repaired. On my car everything is simple and fixable. Its given 14 years of service and is just now starting to cost me money. And some of that money being spent is because I want another 14 years.
Jun 17, 2017, 04:11 PM
#5309
im in the weeds on this front LSD discussion - many are arguing that an LSD adds understeer, based on no understanding of their own but an in-car interview with one of the GKN product heads who seems to contradict everything known about LSDs:
http://www.focusrs.org/forum/31-focu...slip-diff.html
http://www.focusrs.org/forum/31-focu...slip-diff.html
For AX, I would take the non-lsd Focus. I wouldnt even question it. After using open, installing quaife, running evo IX OEM, wavetrac torsen, 1way clutch, I will absolutely take 1way clutch > Open > Torsen for AX.
Jun 17, 2017, 04:12 PM
#5310
When the group A cars went away, for me, the WRC died. Yeah, Mitsubishi was the best, so competitors, go make a better car. Constructing a special chassis for WRC is same as NASCAR. They both went the same route and when they did I lost interest in both.
I drive a 2003 Evo and it is a very good handling car - way better than any conventional passenger vehicle. Would an ACD AYC car be better. Better for racing but not sure about better for DD. I don't have to mess with failure prone pumps and where do I go to have a torque vectoring axle repaired. On my car everything is simple and fixable. Its given 14 years of service and is just now starting to cost me money. And some of that money being spent is because I want another 14 years.
I drive a 2003 Evo and it is a very good handling car - way better than any conventional passenger vehicle. Would an ACD AYC car be better. Better for racing but not sure about better for DD. I don't have to mess with failure prone pumps and where do I go to have a torque vectoring axle repaired. On my car everything is simple and fixable. Its given 14 years of service and is just now starting to cost me money. And some of that money being spent is because I want another 14 years.
As for the ACD/AYC stuff... definitely not needed for daily driving. Not needed at all, IMO, unless you are really, really into cutting lap times. If you are a bit competitive at events... then maybe.
Personal Experience: I've autoXed Evo VIII/IXs with and without ACD. The difference is noticeable, but I had fun in both. The VIII was definitely slower through turns than my IX. I have ridden in a X and the AYC was very impressive. Wow @ the rotation. I've AutoXed an RS and it did amazing things. In my first-ever run, I was top three for TTOD. Very impressive. I now wizardry = faster, but I'd rather be slower and more involved.