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Old Dec 11, 2016 | 07:42 PM
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So all that to complain about a problem common to any AWD car?
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Old Dec 11, 2016 | 08:25 PM
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My IX has a deplorable turning radius. How funny the ONE thing he didn't like is a fundamental characteristic of an AWD car.. but he's okay with all the stuff that didn't have to be bad. LOL
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Old Dec 11, 2016 | 10:16 PM
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this is actually a lot slower than i expected. was expected at least sub 8. IIRC, the 9 ran a 8:11 in the wet
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Old Dec 11, 2016 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by moparfan
I think what a lot of people default to is that mechanical diffs are more predictable - which makes sense. But electronic differentials can do things the mechanicals can't and be an aid. Now, stock it may not do what you liker and how you like it, but electronic differentials have the entirety of the future open to them.

i dont think mechanical diffs are more predictable, maybe easier to read for the first time. But as soon as you understand the car behavior with Ediffs, i am certain the Ediffs are easier to read and help more to concentrate on the actual road and not fight with a car.

Evo had ACD back in the days in WRC, and no one could touch them. As soon as they banned the ACD they never recovered...
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Old Dec 12, 2016 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
i dont think mechanical diffs are more predictable, maybe easier to read for the first time. But as soon as you understand the car behavior with Ediffs, i am certain the Ediffs are easier to read and help more to concentrate on the actual road and not fight with a car.

Evo had ACD back in the days in WRC, and no one could touch them. As soon as they banned the ACD they never recovered...
ACD or AYC?

Mechanical diffs by definition are more predictable than active diffs. But, active diffs may make the car as a whole more predictable once you get used to it. It'll make adjustments for you.
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Old Dec 12, 2016 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
ACD or AYC?

Mechanical diffs by definition are more predictable than active diffs. But, active diffs may make the car as a whole more predictable once you get used to it. It'll make adjustments for you.
ACD. rally cars couldn't have electric diffs anywhere. Unless its was an ex group N. car.

now from 2017 they can have ediffs again and open aero

You should watch some test video... amazing speed and cornering.
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Old Dec 12, 2016 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
ACD. rally cars couldn't have electric diffs anywhere. Unless its was an ex group N. car.

now from 2017 they can have ediffs again and open aero

You should watch some test video... amazing speed and cornering.
Okay, Mitsubishi, time to get back in the game.
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Old Dec 12, 2016 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
i dont think mechanical diffs are more predictable, maybe easier to read for the first time. But as soon as you understand the car behavior with Ediffs, i am certain the Ediffs are easier to read and help more to concentrate on the actual road and not fight with a car.

Evo had ACD back in the days in WRC, and no one could touch them. As soon as they banned the ACD they never recovered...
I was also including the torque vectoring rear diff in there.
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Old Dec 12, 2016 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
ACD. rally cars couldn't have electric diffs anywhere. Unless its was an ex group N. car.

now from 2017 they can have ediffs again and open aero

You should watch some test video... amazing speed and cornering.
thanks - you are our resident rally expert! are they experimenting with hybrid/electric, a la f1, or more "traditional" electric control?

do have to say, I love my ACD tune. rotation going into corners is amazing, but I would say it can be a little unpredictable at times. but most of the time, it's being sensitive to the status of the car/and my inputs
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Old Dec 12, 2016 | 10:02 PM
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If you guys wanna skip the boredom of him taking about himself and otherwise babbling about, fast forward to 4:45. Yes.. almost 5mins of him blah blah blahing.
11 1/2 min vid to day the turning radius sucks? honestly how do people watch this sh*t?

this vid sums up 99% car youtubers quite well (youtube vid to show why I don't like youtube, deal with it )
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Old Dec 12, 2016 | 10:11 PM
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hahaha reminds me of the obsessed garage youtube videos. More like "obsessed about myself so I put up videos of me just talking in monotone for 40 minutes"....
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Old Dec 12, 2016 | 10:50 PM
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If interested in the Ford Focus RS and you wish to view video of the car you have choices. This guy actually owns the car and drives it as a daily. He also has tracked the car enough to ruin the tires. But there's other choices.

You can watch the automotive writers taking turns whipping on the press cars around a track. They aren't going to say anything bad about the car. If they do they don't get invited to the next introduction.

You can watch video where someone goes to the dealer and climbs over the car showing the various features like the interior of the glove box or the red stitching in the upholstery if that's your thing.

But actually there was another reason I put up a link to his video – there's a recall for excessive oil consumption, something this owner has encountered.
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Old Dec 12, 2016 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
this is actually a lot slower than i expected. was expected at least sub 8. IIRC, the 9 ran a 8:11 in the wet

Where did you see that E9 ran 8.11 in the wet?
The info I have is 8.22 or so in normal conditions which are varied but not full rain.
Typically some sections are under mist or damp, fog, in fall and spring.
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Old Dec 12, 2016 | 11:05 PM
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Found answer:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eife_lap_times
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Old Dec 13, 2016 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by alpinaturbo
Where did you see that E9 ran 8.11 in the wet?
The info I have is 8.22 or so in normal conditions which are varied but not full rain.
Typically some sections are under mist or damp, fog, in fall and spring.
yep - and the video of entire lap is on best motoring.


starts at 5:46 - he prefaces by saying it's not a full time attack due to the conditions of the road, but that he'll do his best. at 6:40-7m, you see him sliding around a bit and commenting that the track is quite wet, and very dangerous
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