I don't think anyone on here wants to buy a Golf R But the fact that VW was able to keep weight down just highlights where Ford decided to save money (assuming the Focus RS ends up being as heavy as well suspect).

 

Which I find interesting as they are very similar cars.

Ford basically copied the Golf platform for the Focus and the Polo platform for the Fiesta. If you compare the suspension designs they are almost a carbon copy, same thing with chassis design strategy, etc.

The Golf R uses a haldex system just like the Focus RS. However the RS has that "better" rear diff.

The Golf R would also give the nicer interior that almost every single Evo owner likes to ***** about with their Evo.

I personally would prefer the RS over the R, mainly because I like more aggressive looking cars and it looks like it has more soul. My Fiesta has also won me over to modern Fords.

I had a MK6 Golf R, and while it was a very nice car, it lacked soul like my Evo and my Fiesta does.

 

Truth.

 

Don't forget that these are street cars. The nannies are kicking in at levels that are way beyond what most drivers are capable of and/or willing to do. The GTR seems so good both because the limits of the vehicle are so high (and unlikely to be approached by most drivers) and that the nannies are almost always active. There shouldn't really be a cut-in, and without knowing how the RS was programmed, it's hard to say whether it will have obvious cut-in points. I would hope not, ESPECIALLY in the drift mode.

Rallying these cars will always be iffy, since rally (especially in gravel/mud/snow) inherently goes beyond what the car deems safe. I'd be concerned about how the car would react when it's yaw and wheelspeed sensors realize the car is going sideways with 80-90% wheel slip at all 4 corners with high throttle and steering inputs.

 

i agree completely. that was part of my point to the post i quoted.

 

Hopefully you can turn all that stuff off, just like you can with the Evo 10, Golf R, etc.

On my Fiesta ST, I can turn everything off except for the torque vectoring, which honestly isn't evasive at all and I've had the car pretty sideways a bunch of times.

 

In the FiST, isn't the torque vectoring just using the front brakes as a limited slip front diff? So it's not really a "nanny" that's there to keep the car in line..

 

There is the E-Diff and there is the Torque Vectoring. E-Diff acts as a LSD. You can turn that off and I usually do since I'm running +50whp/+100wtq over stock and I have the ECU control boost in lower gears to combat wheel spin. There is also throttle control, which I turn off as well.

Torque Vectoring helps the car rotate, and that it does. It's the most "rotatable" FWD I've ever driven. So yes, it's less a nanny and more a chassis dynamic adder.

 

but you wouldn't wanna turn off the e-diff/torque vectoring.. cause that would basically become an open diff...

 

It's always an open diff. E-Diff is just using the brakes to act as a limited slip and with higher power, you just eat the pads up.

Most of the higher power Fiesta guys end up getting a quaife mechanical LSD. I don't care that much/don't want to open it up.

With the 310wtq the car is currently making, it will spin the outside wheel coming out of a 70-80mph turn at the track. One of the reasons I stopped tracking it.

Guess what, the Golf R and Focus RS are open diff cars too.

 

^ you keep saying that. they have clutches in their diffs that they use for torque vectoring, not brakes, therefore not open diff. at least for the FoRS, I don't care enough about the golf to know if it uses the brakes or the diff

if the FiST has a true open diff (no clutches in there) and uses the brakes to act the LSD, then its not an E-diff

 

They use brakes for torque vectoring as well. I should have been more clear in that the front is still an open diff. Much like an 03-04 Evo. I thought it have been implied since we where talking about a FWD car before.

Golf R is haldex just like the RS, the difference is the RS has the trick rear diff. It's like the difference between a Evo with SAYC and without SAYC, sort of.

I think we are getting caught up in semantics here. Again, Torque Vectoring is just using the brakes on the inside front corner when cornering to help rotate the car. E-Diff (or whatever you want to call it) electronically simulates a mechanical limited slip diff by using the brakes to reduce wheel spin. It is a mechanical open diff.

It's the same in the Golf R and Focus RS, except the RS has the mechanical torque vectoring in the rear. Again, like an Evo with SAYC. It mechanically vectors and also has help by brake vectoring (unless you turn it off), like an Evo with SAYC.

 

So vectoring and the "diff" uses the brakes? Dang. Better buy stock in Carbotech LOL

 

^ I disagree with your definition of e-diff

the whole using brakes thing definition for e-diff is car salesman BS to sell cars. equivalent to going to a chevy dealer and the sales guy trying to sell you a cobalt as a "baby corvette"

to me an e-diff is an electronically controlled diff, as in the RS rear diff with the clutches, not using something else to simulate anything.

we had this argument a few pages back and we're obviously still of the same opinion

 

Warmmilk, your definition of "e-diff" is actually whats considered an active differential..