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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 04:55 PM
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i wish i could find it, but i think that's right about where most of us guessed. plus $4-6 in dealer markup. puts it right around $36-38k which is also where we predicted. what did we win??
doesn't 4.7 0-60 seem kinda sucky for a car with launch control? the '05 Evo did that without all the fancy nannies.
An 05 Evo had launch control as well.

03-04 did as well but wasn't turned on in the USA. (unless your tuner did it for you during the tune)

Here are all the published 0-60 times for the Evo years:

https://www.0-60specs.com/mitsubishi...on-0-60-times/
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 05:00 PM
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doesn't 4.7 0-60 seem kinda sucky for a car with launch control? the '05 Evo did that without all the fancy nannies.
I suspect it will have close to a 3400lb. curb weight. I remember an article saying the Focus RS did not make use of any aluminum panels.
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 05:06 PM
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2015 Ford Focus RS price announced - just how much does 345bhp cost?

http://www.evo.co.uk/ford/focus-rs/1...es-345bhp-cost


The new Focus RS arrives in 2016, and it's set to hugely undercut its rivals




Ford has announced the price and performance figures for the forthcoming Focus RS, scheduled to go on sale in 2016.

Starting at £28,940 = 32,615 US Dollars the Mk3 Focus RS is over £10,000 cheaper than Audi’s RS3 and more than £2,000 cheaper than Volkswagen’s Golf R. All three models feature four-wheel drive powertrains, but while the Ford and Volkswagen are fitted with four-cylinder, turbocharged engines the Audi wins the cylinder count with its inline five.

The three uber-hatches are much closer in the performance stakes, however. The most powerful Ford RS model produces 345bhp compared to the Audi’s 362bhp and the VW’s 296bhp. The Golf generates the least torque at 280lb ft while the RS3 provides 343lb ft, where as the Focus delivers 324lb ft with a 15-second over-boost function that unleashes an additional 23lb ft.

Against the clock the Audi leads the way with a 0-62mph time of 4.3 seconds, with the Ford four-tenths behind at 4.7 seconds. The Golf R is one second slower than its Volkswagen Group cousin at 5.3 seconds. And while the German pair’s top speed is capped at 155mph, the flying Ford will run on to a 165mph maximum.


The Focus RS’s four-wheel drive system has allowed Ford to equip the company’s hottest hot hatch with launch control. Configuring the RS’s chassis and powertrain, when launch control is engaged via the on-board menu the driver need only to engage first gear, apply full throttle, release the clutch and leave it up to the electronics to deliver the power and torque to all four corners via the electronically-controlled clutches.

The driver is further aided to get the best from the RS’s acceleration with a series of shift lights set at the optimum 5900rpm upshift point, with the redline set at 6800rpm.

Utilising the same four-cylinder Eco-Boost engine that will also be used in the forthcoming Mustang, the Focus RS’s motor benefits from a serious of upgrades over the rear-drive coupe, including a low-inertia twin-scroll turbocharger with a larger compressor, an enhanced air intake design, and a large-bore high performance exhaust system. The Focus RS’s 345bhp is 10bhp higher than in the Mustang.

Built in Ford’s Saarlouis plant in Germany, this will be the third generation of Focus to wear the RS badge and the 30th Ford to be called by the icon letters. It is also one of 12 new performance Ford models to be introduced between its 2016 on sale date and 2020.
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 06:39 PM
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The pounds to dollars conversion is almost never accurate.

If it can undercut the Golf R (~$38k w/ DCC and navi) that'll be a good price point.
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 06:41 PM
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The driver is further aided to get the best from the RS’s acceleration with a series of shift lights set at the optimum 5900rpm upshift point, with the redline set at 6800rpm.
Does that mean the turbo is out of steam at 5900? I would think the "optimum" shift point would be at/near the edge of the choke line of the compressor map.
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
I suspect it will have close to a 3400lb. curb weight. I remember an article saying the Focus RS did not make use of any aluminum panels.
Oooooh. Ouch.
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
An 05 Evo had launch control as well.

03-04 did as well but wasn't turned on in the USA. (unless your tuner did it for you during the tune)

Here are all the published 0-60 times for the Evo years:

https://www.0-60specs.com/mitsubishi...on-0-60-times/
I don't know that I would consider a two-step as launch control. Especially compared to, " release the clutch and leave it up to the electronics to deliver the power and torque to all four corners via the electronically-controlled clutches."
I assume that means no wheel spin, hop, bogging, etc. Unless I'm giving it too much credit LOL.
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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
I don't know that I would consider a two-step as launch control. Especially compared to, " release the clutch and leave it up to the electronics to deliver the power and torque to all four corners via the electronically-controlled clutches."
I assume that means no wheel spin, hop, bogging, etc. Unless I'm giving it too much credit LOL.

You're giving it too much credit, it's still a manual transmission. Alot of the RS marketing speak is just that. They basically keep describing things that all of the modern AWD cars already have like the Evo 10 and Audi S4 with sport rear diff, GTR, etc.

Originally Posted by kaj
Oooooh. Ouch.
Remember the current Focus ST is not a lightweight for being a FWD hatch. It is 3,230lbs, which is pretty close to the 2016 Golf R AWD with manual transmission.

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Old Sep 15, 2015 | 11:52 PM
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btw, did nobody notice the pricing on the ford.com site?

http://www.ford.com/cars/focus/trim/rs/

$35,730 starting MSRP
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Old Sep 16, 2015 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
btw, did nobody notice the pricing on the ford.com site?

http://www.ford.com/cars/focus/trim/rs/

$35,730 starting MSRP
Cool. The standard RS package would work for me.
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Old Sep 16, 2015 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
btw, did nobody notice the pricing on the ford.com site?

http://www.ford.com/cars/focus/trim/rs/

$35,730 starting MSRP
+$875 destination charge = $36,605 standard

its cool build your own!!!
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Old Sep 16, 2015 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kaj
Oooooh. Ouch.
Curiously, the Focus RS does not use any lightweight materials to replace steel in the body or structure; there are no carbon-fiber or aluminum panels, for instance. https://www.cars.com/articles/2015/0...rs-first-look/

I guess on the plus side, someone might actually make some carbon fiber flared fenders that are lighter than the OEM fenders. Good luck matching that 4 stage nitrous blue paint if you want to paint them though.

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Old Sep 16, 2015 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
You're giving it too much credit, it's still a manual transmission. Alot of the RS marketing speak is just that. They basically keep describing things that all of the modern AWD cars already have like the Evo 10 and Audi S4 with sport rear diff, GTR, etc.



Remember the current Focus ST is not a lightweight for being a FWD hatch. It is 3,230lbs, which is pretty close to the 2016 Golf R AWD with manual transmission.
Better than 3400 or more and closer to my car's weight. If its 3200ish, then I stand by my statement that the 0-60 is sub par for that power level.
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Old Sep 16, 2015 | 07:56 AM
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The fact that they have not released the curb weight, or the car's Nürburgring lap time (figures they clearly know) makes me think both points will end up being negative marks against the car. Time will tell.

P.S. The previous generation RS was smaller and FWD and weighed 3,236lbs.

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Old Sep 16, 2015 | 08:12 AM
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2016 Ford Focus RS: Mega merge

$37,500 with a sun roof. Not bad. Hopefully the dealers realize its not a rich guy market and think they can pull the "market adjustment" pricing markup bs
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