lmao what the ****

 

Apparently it's a really good deal to buy one at sticker price...

 

was this for charity? if not, how do stupid people have that much money?

 

Ya it was for charity and I think it was vin #1 but still.... I can see 200k tops.

 

charity - i think american heart assocation 100% of proceeds

 

It was someone donating to charity and probably didn't really care about the car LOL. I mean.. at least you get something kinda cool as a reward.

 

well looks like there's hope...

2 things
its basically the reverse 911 effect, where they purposely neuter the cayman so the 911 is better. here they don't offer the manual to protect the stupid 86 with its asthmatic engine

that part at the end where he's quoted "I'm getting the message" about the manual. how did his dumbass not already know about this?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sho...-future-plans/

 

The car is automatic-only for cost reasons only. They carbon copied the existing Z4, which offers the same transmission, but the chief engineer's argument is asinine. Nobody is cross-shopping the new $55k Supra against the $25k 86. A person who passes on the Supra because it lacks a 'real' transmission option isn't going to buy a manual transmission 86 because it's the next best thing. They are going to be buying something else that's in the Supra's price bracket. On the other end, nobody who is shopping for an 86 is going to gravitate towards the Supra, they are two totally different types of car buyer. Toyota has to know this thing is a dud, and they have to be scrambling to come up with another option.

 

Only because the lack of manual transmission. I think if the Supra had a 6spd, they could upsale a few BRZ buyers. Not a lot, but a few. Likewise, some people that may have been interested in a Supra may now settle for a BRZ because it's more fun to drive (from that "purist" point of view).

 

The first point would be a win for Toyota. Squeezing an extra $30,000 out of a customer? You take that every opportunity you can get.
The second point, well...the FRZ twins will be in their NINTH model year when the 2020 Supra comes out (8th model year in NA). It's already stale, and sales are falling off. People who refuse the new-and-uninteresting Supra won't flock to the old-and-uninteresting FRZ twins.

 

its like they want the car to fail...

I can see some 86 owners eventually upgrading to a supra. the supra to 86 move only happens if some dumbass doesn't know he can leave the dealership. I mean the move from a fast car to a slow car can happen (I went from a Mustang GT to a Miata), but I don't see someone walking into a dealership set on a manual supra, finding out its auto only, and going, oh well, I guess I'll get this asthmatic 86...

 

Don't underestimate the average "car guy"s desire to impress their friends. Not everyone that goes into a dealership scans the brochures and reads the stats. If they don't get a Supra then they could always buy an 86 and spend money on parts. Don't forget a lot of people out there buying cars aren't about getting all the horsepower they can for their dollar. They just want to look cool driving into the McDonald's parking lot. Supra or Rocket Bunny 86? Either works for them.

 

delete please.

 

True.dat. Cant even show up with a boosted BRZ and get anyone to look twice these days. All about latest and greatest and whats new and hot. But thats the cars-n-coffee crowd for you. Seems my the evo gets attention not cause its an evo but because it has a big dumb wing (not the evo wing) so people thing hey maybe something interesting here. Of course even though I have 500hp and built everything, the engine looks clean and stock-ish. So no then no one cares

 

If I had a dollar for every time someone looked in my engine bay and said ,".....oh".