New Supra Specs and Pricing
Originally Posted by barneyb
Usually its a lazy way of updating an engine to accept overhead cams or cam phasers. Placing the chain case at the front would require redesign of accessory mounting.
this kid went from the showroom floor to the track to w2w racing
https://youtu.be/xhT-9TJz0rc
https://youtu.be/o9FxjV9qepA
https://youtu.be/Ez9XmtWXjGg
https://youtu.be/xhT-9TJz0rc
https://youtu.be/o9FxjV9qepA
https://youtu.be/Ez9XmtWXjGg
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This engine dates to 2015. So, yeah, you are right, it is a clean slate engine. The above article states moving the timing case to the rear of the engine was done to move weight rearward in the vehicle. It goes on to state that if the VANOS system requires maintenance the engine must come out. I'd need a look at an actual installed engine, but the accessory driven Heat Management System is big and on the front and side of the engine. Maybe a packaging problem?
Last edited by barneyb; Aug 23, 2019 at 12:08 AM.
http://youwheel.com/home/2016/03/27/...linder-engine/
This engine dates to 2015. So, yeah, you are right, it is a clean slate engine. The above article states moving the timing case to the rear of the engine was done to move weight rearward in the vehicle. It goes on to state that if the VANOS system requires maintenance the engine must come out. I'd need a look at an actual installed engine, but the accessory driven Heat Management System is big and on the front and side of the engine. Maybe a packaging problem?
This engine dates to 2015. So, yeah, you are right, it is a clean slate engine. The above article states moving the timing case to the rear of the engine was done to move weight rearward in the vehicle. It goes on to state that if the VANOS system requires maintenance the engine must come out. I'd need a look at an actual installed engine, but the accessory driven Heat Management System is big and on the front and side of the engine. Maybe a packaging problem?
Yeah, sounds like they had to do what they had to do. Reminds me of the Ferarri 355...people dread doing belt changes, etc. Since it requires engine removal and a lot of money.
I don't see how the rear chain moves weight around. You're moving everything forward to make room for the chain at the rear. IDK, maybe it math's out on paper, but I'm just not seeing it in my head...lol
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Not the first Supra in the 10's but did it without nitrous.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/this...PzW4Fb7-yNalJU
https://www.motortrend.com/news/this...PzW4Fb7-yNalJU
Never a bad idea to test the limits with any new platform . People push every platform farther and farther. GTR's in the 6's, Evo in the 7's. It may not be your cup of tea since you're not into making power (LOL) but its still racing.
I appreciate all forms of racing and making power. You can get the same rush from staging just right and getting a perfect reaction time. People raced anything with wheels on it since chariots at circus maximus.
I appreciate all forms of racing and making power. You can get the same rush from staging just right and getting a perfect reaction time. People raced anything with wheels on it since chariots at circus maximus.
Last edited by Abacus; Sep 6, 2019 at 04:51 PM.
the part that kinda annoys me about that vid were his comments about how this new supra is in the 10's so quick after being released and the mkiv took years. thats a result of how big the aftermarket is, not the car. if you released the new car in '93 it'd take just as long or even longer (cause electronics) then it took the mkiv. same goes the other way around, release the mkiv now and it'd be in the 10's just as quick
Never a bad idea to test the limits with any new platform . People push every platform farther and farther. GTR's in the 6's, Evo in the 7's. It may not be your cup of tea since you're not into making power (LOL) but its still racing.
I appreciate all forms of racing and making power. You can get the same rush from staging just right and getting a perfect reaction time. People raced anything with wheels on it since chariots at circus maximus.
I appreciate all forms of racing and making power. You can get the same rush from staging just right and getting a perfect reaction time. People raced anything with wheels on it since chariots at circus maximus.
I'd say my cup of tea is beating cars with more power. You can't do that drag racing. Even chariots turned.
the part that kinda annoys me about that vid were his comments about how this new supra is in the 10's so quick after being released and the mkiv took years. thats a result of how big the aftermarket is, not the car. if you released the new car in '93 it'd take just as long or even longer (cause electronics) then it took the mkiv. same goes the other way around, release the mkiv now and it'd be in the 10's just as quick
Hardly ANY tuner car was in the 10s in 1993. Now an ebay turbo kit gets you there.
Electronics, tire technology, clutches and turbo availability were awful in the mid 1990s, there was so little support for that. These days, a motivated shop could whip out a big turbo, EMS, 10 second MKIV from scratch within a week without using pre-made parts, that's how much things have changed. The main hurdle on the GT-R was the electronics system. Once that got solved, they developed fast and the records went very quick, due in big part to AMS' incredible development. This new Supra is working against a German electrical system, small turbo with limited space, a limiting direct injection system, torque converter automatic that is entirely electronic with fancy tuning, and a bottom end that can't handle big power. Going 9s and then 8s will take a really long time, no way it does it like the GT-R did. Not with the B58 and existing automatic, anyway.
I will never get used to a slushbox. I daily my 5MT Evo and it's a transcendent experience in canyons and I prefer it even in stop-and-go traffic. The car is always in the exact gear I want it to be.
The slushbox ruins cars. It shifts the car into the wrong gear and crashes it. It lazy shifts unless you push hard. It shifts dramatically slower in downshifts and the manufacturers' "shifting in less than x milliseconds" is phishing for phools. The slushbox is the ingredient for every disobedient car, every wimpy husband, and every unhappy wife.
My manual is my light, way, and life.
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Edit: My assessment of the new Supra is that it's not a worthy successor by exterior design alone. Mustang achieved it and is selling well. Camaro did not, and its sales tanked. The design should have stayed true to the FT-1 concept and take cues from proportions the BMW i8 production car.
Most buyers are not that sophisticated and judge a book by its cover. The production car looks too fat and too watered down.
If I were in charge of the program, I would ignore the noise and focus on an exterior redesign for the upper trim Supra. This is the most sensible way to turn it around into a success.
Satisfying enthusiasts is not needed for a business success, but it boosts credibility so why not. A Corvette-like 6MT with some twin-turbo V8 should convert most enthusiasts into singing praises in an instant.
The slushbox ruins cars. It shifts the car into the wrong gear and crashes it. It lazy shifts unless you push hard. It shifts dramatically slower in downshifts and the manufacturers' "shifting in less than x milliseconds" is phishing for phools. The slushbox is the ingredient for every disobedient car, every wimpy husband, and every unhappy wife.
My manual is my light, way, and life.
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Edit: My assessment of the new Supra is that it's not a worthy successor by exterior design alone. Mustang achieved it and is selling well. Camaro did not, and its sales tanked. The design should have stayed true to the FT-1 concept and take cues from proportions the BMW i8 production car.
Most buyers are not that sophisticated and judge a book by its cover. The production car looks too fat and too watered down.
If I were in charge of the program, I would ignore the noise and focus on an exterior redesign for the upper trim Supra. This is the most sensible way to turn it around into a success.
Satisfying enthusiasts is not needed for a business success, but it boosts credibility so why not. A Corvette-like 6MT with some twin-turbo V8 should convert most enthusiasts into singing praises in an instant.
but I understand your point with all these cars not coming manual that sucks.
The same can be said regarding your small turbocharger/low power choices.
I'm road course guy, but high power straight line shenanigans are fun. Going to a shift sector event in an 800whp+ evo was just as much fun as a lapping day, and doing track support for clients at drag races is just as much fun as doing it at a road course. Racing is racing.
I'm road course guy, but high power straight line shenanigans are fun. Going to a shift sector event in an 800whp+ evo was just as much fun as a lapping day, and doing track support for clients at drag races is just as much fun as doing it at a road course. Racing is racing.
