Mk V Supra - My Evo's Replacement?
This is gold in racing. Someone willing to help others, maybe paying it forward. We got random track guys who show up (not racing that day) just to hand out tips and make new friends.
Man, you really think track driving is a Sunday drive for retired folks. That’s hilarious.
Or are you just joking again. Are you making a compliment? I can’t tell.
I can play too. You drive around safety cones in a flat church parking lot while I drive double to triple the speeds on historical race tracks with more seat time in my out laps than you probably do all day in that church parking lot.
Am I doing the insult/compliment thing correctly?
Or are you just joking again. Are you making a compliment? I can’t tell.
I can play too. You drive around safety cones in a flat church parking lot while I drive double to triple the speeds on historical race tracks with more seat time in my out laps than you probably do all day in that church parking lot.
Am I doing the insult/compliment thing correctly?
Am I the only one that keeps getting confused by @Vicious LSD ‘s statements?
Man, you really think track driving is a Sunday drive for retired folks. That’s hilarious.
Or are you just joking again. Are you making a compliment? I can’t tell.
I can play too. You drive around safety cones in a flat church parking lot while I drive double to triple the speeds on historical race tracks with more seat time in my out laps than you probably do all day in that church parking lot.
Am I doing the insult/compliment thing correctly?
Or are you just joking again. Are you making a compliment? I can’t tell.
I can play too. You drive around safety cones in a flat church parking lot while I drive double to triple the speeds on historical race tracks with more seat time in my out laps than you probably do all day in that church parking lot.
Am I doing the insult/compliment thing correctly?
The topic was *seat time*. When I went to the track to work on my car or to pick it up, or pickup something from the store (a number of times now) I see and have spoken to several older club members getting some seat time. Theyre normally the guys with stockish cars like s2000, toyobarus, no diagnostic gear or cameras, no friends. They said the track is on their way home. I asked why their tires arent the good ones for best lap times, they said they just want (maybe stress relieving) seat time. I wouldnt call it a Sunday drive but what can one really do with high TW tires? He being older maybe just indicates hes got a less complicated lifestyle. A simple millionaire type is my guess
I mean you could youtube a review or google it and see all of this stuff but will answer for you,
When you review your session it will give you your 3 best opportunities to make up time based off your best attempt at that segment(generally 8 - 9 segments per lap, basically 1 per corner) vs your average driving.
When you review your session it will give you your 3 best opportunities to make up time based off your best attempt at that segment(generally 8 - 9 segments per lap, basically 1 per corner) vs your average driving.
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thanks, this is the kinda info I was looking for
"literally" responded to the other stuff youre forgetting you said. I remember something about "autox rules suck" and you telling me I was being "kicked out" of track event. lol sup with you, you forgot already?
Seat time...again this only matters if its quality seat time. quantity does not matter. Not sure if youre learning anything shifting gears going straight. Not sure if youre learning anything if youre on high TW tires or youre on stock suspension or dealing with traffic. TA/TT is there for best lap times. Just a bit of seat time is ok IMO as things like tires/brakes got limitations so just do it with less laps. That course is not going anywhere soon. But if you want to be there all day like you said then go for it. When i go to the track on a week day I see older club members just lapping their daily drivers. That's great if youre into that.
Even in autox, quality seat time is important and one might need to venture out to get some.
I googled (you know the internet thing) and saw other guys are going faster than what you have in your sig so... I should probably spend more time researching, maybe they are fast times, or maybe youre still low on seat time
Seat time...again this only matters if its quality seat time. quantity does not matter. Not sure if youre learning anything shifting gears going straight. Not sure if youre learning anything if youre on high TW tires or youre on stock suspension or dealing with traffic. TA/TT is there for best lap times. Just a bit of seat time is ok IMO as things like tires/brakes got limitations so just do it with less laps. That course is not going anywhere soon. But if you want to be there all day like you said then go for it. When i go to the track on a week day I see older club members just lapping their daily drivers. That's great if youre into that.
Even in autox, quality seat time is important and one might need to venture out to get some.
I googled (you know the internet thing) and saw other guys are going faster than what you have in your sig so... I should probably spend more time researching, maybe they are fast times, or maybe youre still low on seat time
of course quality of seat time matters, but just cause you get more of it on track doesn't mean the quality is any less... I really don't understand your point of view on this, is it if its less then you value it more? I mean if you're happy with the seat time you get with autox, thats great. But if I'm gonna dedicate a day to driving, I want to actually drive. for more than a few minutes.
I mean of course there are guys faster than me... a lot of them have 3x-4x+ power than my miata... slicks... downforce... not to mention the track has changed, they repaved sections and made them wider, made the track about 2 seconds faster on average. and beside that I never claimed to be the fastest guy out there ever, do you get an FTD at every autox you show up to?
(that being said the ORP time is actually slow, was my first time at that track and it was my first time tracking that car, which wasn't mine, so I wasn't pushing much)
I can play too. You drive around safety cones in a flat church parking lot while I drive double to triple the speeds on historical race tracks with more seat time in my out laps than you probably do all day in that church parking lot.
Am I doing the insult/compliment thing correctly?
Am I doing the insult/compliment thing correctly?
I already made my point with *seat time* I'll leave it at that. Auto trans, auto rev matching, no problem. Even car manufacturers and engineers think seat time is overrated since they've improved that area for the driver.
Our Speedsportz complex is beside a church, so no loud exhaust before 12NN. Yeah that too is stupid.
I guess they take that whole seat time thing personally
thanks, this is the kinda info I was looking for
oh yeah, forgot about the jab at the rules, my bad.
of course quality of seat time matters, but just cause you get more of it on track doesn't mean the quality is any less... I really don't understand your point of view on this, is it if its less then you value it more? I mean if you're happy with the seat time you get with autox, thats great. But if I'm gonna dedicate a day to driving, I want to actually drive. for more than a few minutes.
I mean of course there are guys faster than me... a lot of them have 3x-4x+ power than my miata... slicks... downforce... not to mention the track has changed, they repaved sections and made them wider, made the track about 2 seconds faster on average. and beside that I never claimed to be the fastest guy out there ever, do you get an FTD at every autox you show up to?
(that being said the ORP time is actually slow, was my first time at that track and it was my first time tracking that car, which wasn't mine, so I wasn't pushing much)
thanks, this is the kinda info I was looking for
oh yeah, forgot about the jab at the rules, my bad.
of course quality of seat time matters, but just cause you get more of it on track doesn't mean the quality is any less... I really don't understand your point of view on this, is it if its less then you value it more? I mean if you're happy with the seat time you get with autox, thats great. But if I'm gonna dedicate a day to driving, I want to actually drive. for more than a few minutes.
I mean of course there are guys faster than me... a lot of them have 3x-4x+ power than my miata... slicks... downforce... not to mention the track has changed, they repaved sections and made them wider, made the track about 2 seconds faster on average. and beside that I never claimed to be the fastest guy out there ever, do you get an FTD at every autox you show up to?
(that being said the ORP time is actually slow, was my first time at that track and it was my first time tracking that car, which wasn't mine, so I wasn't pushing much)
I get it, youre just like everyone else, NOT the miata guy who can keep up/even go faster than a more modern streetcar guy. maybe just dial down superiority complex. I've spoken to fast Spec miata guys, I get humble-brags max. Many of them already got beaten by people with low 'seat time', thats just life if you chose that path.
Go work on your PB man. Diagnostics isnt going to help you if you know where youre slow.
Agreed.
This sounds made up but I remember you saying you dont have good clubs. Most try to balance number of runs and shutting down early. Our BMW club does 8 runs, max of 80 participants. Our SCCA does 5 but for an extra $20 you can get double entry. We run on tracks too. We have Track Sprints too which is around 8 runs 50 participants max. Track sprints are tighter with the schedule because TA, drifting, who ever paid for the track happens right after. Again, some regions are luckier than others.
This sounds made up but I remember you saying you dont have good clubs. Most try to balance number of runs and shutting down early. Our BMW club does 8 runs, max of 80 participants. Our SCCA does 5 but for an extra $20 you can get double entry. We run on tracks too. We have Track Sprints too which is around 8 runs 50 participants max. Track sprints are tighter with the schedule because TA, drifting, who ever paid for the track happens right after. Again, some regions are luckier than others.
Also, you keep saying auto trans, auto rev matching which is a very obvious jab at the Supra. Of course you will probably play coy and say it wasn't for me, but some old club member down the road, or something else that makes no sense.
I'll make sure to laugh and make fun of the GT3 and GT3RS owners because they have an auto trans and auto rev matching. No problem.
Alright, enough time wasted, back to Super Supra Stuff...
Here is my stuck socket on the back of my Supra with my mic attached to it. When life gives you lemons...
But you didn't, nobody here understands that point you are trying to make.
Also, you keep saying auto trans, auto rev matching which is a very obvious jab at the Supra. Of course you will probably play coy and say it wasn't for me, but some old club member down the road, or something else that makes no sense.
I'll make sure to laugh and make fun of the GT3 and GT3RS owners because they have an auto trans and auto rev matching. No problem.
Also, you keep saying auto trans, auto rev matching which is a very obvious jab at the Supra. Of course you will probably play coy and say it wasn't for me, but some old club member down the road, or something else that makes no sense.
I'll make sure to laugh and make fun of the GT3 and GT3RS owners because they have an auto trans and auto rev matching. No problem.
I'm not taking a jab at a Supra, I dont even know what tech is in there. AWD is a cheat too so I know the advantage/disadvantages. Lets just not pretend its all seat time and skill. Choose your weapon, thats it.
I have a mic set up too. Makes videos watchable
See.
I get it, youre just like everyone else, NOT the miata guy who can keep up/even go faster than a more modern streetcar guy. maybe just dial down superiority complex. I've spoken to fast Spec miata guys, I get humble-brags max. Many of them already got beaten by people with low 'seat time', thats just life if you chose that path.
Go work on your PB man. Diagnostics isnt going to help you if you know where youre slow.
I get it, youre just like everyone else, NOT the miata guy who can keep up/even go faster than a more modern streetcar guy. maybe just dial down superiority complex. I've spoken to fast Spec miata guys, I get humble-brags max. Many of them already got beaten by people with low 'seat time', thats just life if you chose that path.
Go work on your PB man. Diagnostics isnt going to help you if you know where youre slow.
If I'm gonna spend a day on performance driving (track, autox, whatever), I want as much seat time of actually driving as possible.
I'm not saying track is objectively better because of more seat time, its subjectively better for me, for my taste
and yes, I've passed faster more modern cars, I've also been passed by slower older cars... I'm not sure what your point is, at the end of the its more about the driver than the car. I never claimed to be the best at this... never claimed I don't need any help getting faster/better (I mean I'm asking about that Garmin thing for a reason...). Not sure where you're getting a superiority complex?
c'mon LOL. There's a market for that. I'm just saying maybe previous track guys wasted on seat time because certain aspects of driving will be automated out of the factory one day. Or maybe seat time has a different meaning for everyone. Like I said, I & the car dont need much of that. I've done all the historic tracks in the NE and VIR, mostly once only. Autocrossers are kinda trained to make most of whats there, as you know, so road courses are similar. Just focus on critical corners, most of it is just the gas pedal. You can always go back to the same course layout. I will admit as tech guy I'm anti-automation, because the human skill eventually disappears.
I'm not taking a jab at a Supra, I dont even know what tech is in there. AWD is a cheat too so I know the advantage/disadvantages. Letjust not pretend itall seat time and skill. Choose your weapon, thats it.
I'm not taking a jab at a Supra, I dont even know what tech is in there. AWD is a cheat too so I know the advantage/disadvantages. Letjust not pretend itall seat time and skill. Choose your weapon, thats it.
Everyone is always learning, except for you I guess. Sounds dreadful.
Welcome to my ignore list.
Last edited by RazorLab; Oct 25, 2022 at 06:10 AM.
I think I'm starting to understand. looks like from your point of view, seat time is only to improve / get faster. For me its as much about that as it is just enjoying driving the car. You seam to be really suck on this seat time thing, I'll say it as simply as I can, please don't read into it, there's no hidden meaning between the lines:
If I'm gonna spend a day on performance driving (track, autox, whatever), I want as much seat time of actually driving as possible.
I'm not saying track is objectively better because of more seat time, its subjectively better for me, for my taste
and yes, I've passed faster more modern cars, I've also been passed by slower older cars... I'm not sure what your point is, at the end of the its more about the driver than the car. I never claimed to be the best at this... never claimed I don't need any help getting faster/better (I mean I'm asking about that Garmin thing for a reason...). Not sure where you're getting a superiority complex?
If I'm gonna spend a day on performance driving (track, autox, whatever), I want as much seat time of actually driving as possible.
I'm not saying track is objectively better because of more seat time, its subjectively better for me, for my taste
and yes, I've passed faster more modern cars, I've also been passed by slower older cars... I'm not sure what your point is, at the end of the its more about the driver than the car. I never claimed to be the best at this... never claimed I don't need any help getting faster/better (I mean I'm asking about that Garmin thing for a reason...). Not sure where you're getting a superiority complex?
Over here the track is good enough (clubs allow it) for one to explore the limits. Thank god for TT/TA/TS and autocross, one can go passed that limit and its all good. Theyll tow you out of the swamp, no problem. No one is getting "kicked out". Getting your fix with less runs is encouraged, popular and the norm. I'm sure you have access to popular tracks that are a bit too expensive for "just seat time". That said, people " just enjoying driving the car" can be a problem in timed events and practice sessions.
Glad you’re in tech and not a writer. If you think it’s “just the gas pedal” and not “seat time and skill”, then I really don’t need to engage with you anymore. Especially since you made such an egotistical statement that you don’t need it.
Everyone is always learning, except for you I guess. Sounds dreadful.
Welcome to my ignore list.
Everyone is always learning, except for you I guess. Sounds dreadful.
Welcome to my ignore list.
Again I dont need "just seat time". not sure why that is 'egotistical'. I know LRP has limited passing zones so It can be (very) frustrating if/when you got slower cars