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Old May 21, 2008 | 11:16 PM
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If you leave the lever in auto (don't put it to the +/- section) but it is in sport mode, and you start manually shifting with the paddles, will it bounce the rev limiter or will it upshift at redline?

What if you DO put the lever into "manual", will it bounce at redline in 1st if you don't hit the paddle or use + on the lever?

Many people who rag on dual-clutch systems are annoyed that it won't truly obey you, even in "manual" mode - the VW DSG will upshift at redline even if you've got it in full manual. I can think of a few select times where you would prefer to bounce the limiter for a second, like if you know you'll be slowing down and you don't want it to have to upshift and then downshift immediately again. This is one of the things I really want to know about TC-SST, supposedly Mitsu "got it right" but I won't believe it until someone who knows their **** (i.e. not some ****** journalist) can confirm.
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Old May 21, 2008 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ZPrime
If you leave the lever in auto (don't put it to the +/- section) but it is in sport mode, and you start manually shifting with the paddles, will it bounce the rev limiter or will it upshift at redline?

What if you DO put the lever into "manual", will it bounce at redline in 1st if you don't hit the paddle or use + on the lever?

Many people who rag on dual-clutch systems are annoyed that it won't truly obey you, even in "manual" mode - the VW DSG will upshift at redline even if you've got it in full manual. I can think of a few select times where you would prefer to bounce the limiter for a second, like if you know you'll be slowing down and you don't want it to have to upshift and then downshift immediately again. This is one of the things I really want to know about TC-SST, supposedly Mitsu "got it right" but I won't believe it until someone who knows their **** (i.e. not some ****** journalist) can confirm.
In one of the Best Motoring video, I think they showed that the SST can hold a gear until fuel cut off...and even then it doesn't shift for you.
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Old May 22, 2008 | 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonasan50
Damn you... Come over here and gimme a ride..
Suggest you test drive a Mercedes AMG SL 6.2 liter V8 with 533hp and 630nm.
The SST works with the same flexibility and intelligence.
The Mercedes just feels slower.
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Old May 22, 2008 | 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ZPrime
If you leave the lever in auto (don't put it to the +/- section) but it is in sport mode, and you start manually shifting with the paddles, will it bounce the rev limiter or will it upshift at redline?
yes it'll bounce off the rev limiter.. you don't have to be in SPORT mode .. Normal mode will get the same results

What if you DO put the lever into "manual", will it bounce at redline in 1st if you don't hit the paddle or use + on the lever?
as above

Many people who rag on dual-clutch systems are annoyed that it won't truly obey you, even in "manual" mode - the VW DSG will upshift at redline even if you've got it in full manual. I can think of a few select times where you would prefer to bounce the limiter for a second, like if you know you'll be slowing down and you don't want it to have to upshift and then downshift immediately again. This is one of the things I really want to know about TC-SST, supposedly Mitsu "got it right" but I won't believe it until someone who knows their **** (i.e. not some ****** journalist) can confirm.
You're talking about an Evo .. not a VW ..
Even the Torque converter automatic Evos from the 7 series and wagon bounces off rev limiter when set to manual

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Old May 22, 2008 | 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MR340
Suggest you test drive a Mercedes AMG SL 6.2 liter V8 with 533hp and 630nm.
The SST works with the same flexibility and intelligence.
The Mercedes just feels slower.
To clarify
This is the first dual wet clutch Mercedes that dispenses with a torque converter.
It is a 7 speed unit. The AMG SL63 has 533hp and 488 ft lbs of torque.
To get the same off the line performance as a Evo X SST I have found that you
have to put them into "Race Start Launch Control" mode.
Your local Mercedes dealer will be impressed that you know about the RSLC mode.
However the Mercedes still feels slower than a Evo SST.
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Old May 22, 2008 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ZPrime
If you leave the lever in auto (don't put it to the +/- section) but it is in sport mode, and you start manually shifting with the paddles, will it bounce the rev limiter or will it upshift at redline?

What if you DO put the lever into "manual", will it bounce at redline in 1st if you don't hit the paddle or use + on the lever?

Many people who rag on dual-clutch systems are annoyed that it won't truly obey you, even in "manual" mode - the VW DSG will upshift at redline even if you've got it in full manual. I can think of a few select times where you would prefer to bounce the limiter for a second, like if you know you'll be slowing down and you don't want it to have to upshift and then downshift immediately again. This is one of the things I really want to know about TC-SST, supposedly Mitsu "got it right" but I won't believe it until someone who knows their **** (i.e. not some ****** journalist) can confirm.
another thing to mention is that whenever you are in D mode, you can ALWAYS override it and go into M mode by simply up/downshifting with the paddles. once this is done you will STAY in manual mode, unlike the CVT where you can manually override D mode but after some time it will automatically switch you back to D mode.

in order to go back to D mode, you simply hold the up paddle for more than 1 sec. and if the stick is positioned at D mode, you will always go back to D mode when you stop or slow to a crawl.

this tranny really has EVERY feature that i ever wanted. it was made with the enthusiast in mind, NO DOUBT!
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Old May 25, 2008 | 12:07 AM
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Ok Just for your info I am going to get my SST X chipped byhttp://www.wrcdevelopments.com
I will be able to get a before and after dyno and will post them here. They are EcuTec here in NZ. We are aiming for 330 hp at the flywheel. They do not want to go any further as any more HP triggers an error code. This is due some firewall or road blocks installed by Mitsubishi. They say they have a test mule running in england I.E FQ330 SST. So will post results Wednesday
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Old May 25, 2008 | 12:20 AM
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^^^

Nice, I can't wait for the results!
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Old May 25, 2008 | 12:29 AM
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If i have a gsr, and i wanted SST , how would i be able to do that, cuz sst looks a lil bit faster and i dont want to screw up my tranny trying to shift as fast as SST does.
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Old May 25, 2008 | 09:25 AM
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Can't, really. Unless you want to trade your GSR in on an MR in June.
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Old May 25, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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na i dont think i can anymore cuz i got a monster deal and considering that they are going to ruff on the prices the first month amma have to pay like an extra 50-100 a month, i rather get the it done by the factory or someone with the mr who wants the 5 speed
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Old May 25, 2008 | 10:41 AM
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Highly, highly unlikely that you'll be retrofitting a TC-SST unit into your GSR. The transmission itself runs about $9,000. Add labor. Add the fact that you're likely to run into some serious software issues. Also, subtract your warranty. The factory won't do this swap for you, and eople who want the MR with a 5-speed would just buy the GSR and upgrade the brakes, suspension, and interior.
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Old May 25, 2008 | 11:02 AM
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Hey NZ, have they verified that there is a firewall ie have then bumped into it? I wonder what it will take to get around it, and further I really wonder if it would be wise to try and go around it. Are you or have you added any bolt ons yet? Thanks
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Old May 25, 2008 | 12:32 PM
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does anybody know if the wet clutches on these things are replaceable? what happens when they wear out? replace the tranny?
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Old May 25, 2008 | 01:05 PM
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i talked to some people and they all say TS-SST is **** , i am sorry to people who like it, but an evo is most likely to race and with an automatic transmision you will have 1/4 of durability of a Manual transmission i take back the fact that i wanted SST, its dum, again sorry to offend anybody who has it.
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