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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 09:28 AM
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oohhh the sun force hyper-thingy

those ignition amplifier/stabalizer is awesome. Definately makes a difference.
have you tested it? i got it on a group buy so i decided it couldnt hurt, how much does it help?
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All my stuff is on and ready:
- ETS 3.5" FMIC
- ETS LICP/UICP/Mini-Battery
- FIC 850s
- E-85 and re-tuned
- Alky removed along with all those old stock IC bits and the stock battery

I'll have pics up as soon as I get it all cleaned up and presentable.
how much power do you make on e-85 compared to alky? how is the quality on the ets parts? i want to see it take pics!
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by evobeatsti
have you tested it? i got it on a group buy so i decided it couldnt hurt, how much does it help?


how much power do you make on e-85 compared to alky? how is the quality on the ets parts? i want to see it take pics!

here is a before and after dyno tune on a evo IX with mild modifications...

http://www.norcalevo.net/forum/index...html#msg249942

scroll down the page a bit, the dyno charts are posted there.
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisw
here is a before and after dyno tune on a evo IX with mild modifications...

http://www.norcalevo.net/forum/index...html#msg249942

scroll down the page a bit, the dyno charts are posted there.
im not a member so it doesnt work... can you copy the pic or something??
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 06:37 PM
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I had basically a net gain of 0 going from alky to e-85 and installing all the IC parts. That may change if I can manage to run above 23psi, but it's been a nightmare getting the spark issues worked out. I hadn't seen anyone post about having tons of spark blowout issues, but now what I've posted about it, people are saying it happens all the time. As of this afternoon, I have improved it and been able to raise boost, but it's not 100% yet.

I'll have pics after I get everything situated and get the car cleaned up. The quality of the ETS parts is top-notch.
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 07:24 PM
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Running stock ecu and stock spark plugs and 30psi on E-85 with only a Sun Auto ignition box like pictured above. . . never had any ignition issues at all. Good luck getting it worked out!
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 07:30 PM
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People are having all sorts of problems with spark on E-85 especially at high boost, so if all it takes is an ignition amplifier, then that will be great. I'm about to buy a used HKS DLII, so hopefully that will do the trick.
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 09:54 PM
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Good luck.

Running too rich can also cause problems too?? Sure it's not that?
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 10:19 PM
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No, I'm not sure, and that may be the problem. I just now finally got some logs by downloading Mitsulogger (never could get EvoScan 2.1 to work), and now that I see my logged wideband AFRs, I'm seeing readings in the low 10s during spoolup and peak boost, which is where I'm having the sputtering problems. I've now gapped my plugs really low, and it's not sputtering, but I'm rich and knocking as soon as spool begins, and although the AFRs climb to the mid-11s, the knock continues lightly through the whole pull.
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by evobeatsti
im not a member so it doesnt work... can you copy the pic or something??
here you go!

Originally Posted by SpeedElement@norcalevo.net
Here are the dyno graphs of before and after the sun auto hyperforce is installed.

Sun Auto Japan/USA didn't pay us to dyno test their Hyper Force System.

We wanted to test this just to see if it will work like it says after seeing dyno charts in Japanese car magazines (Hyper Rev and Option/Option2, etc)

The test was done on an evo ix w/ just 2.75 tanabe downpipe and HKS Hiper Exhaust.

Before


After


There is absolutely no tuning or tweakin' of anything what so ever. Straight plug n play and you gain the power instantly.
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 11:27 PM
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Clay, I didnt see your thread on your E85 tune, but are you just running stock coils? I know t hat the richer A/F ratio of ethanol tunes, and the properties of ethanol hurt spark performance, and the evos have weak stock coils.
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 11:31 PM
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Yes, stock, and yes the things you said appear to be consistent with my experience so far.
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Old Mar 11, 2008 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
No, I'm not sure, and that may be the problem. I just now finally got some logs by downloading Mitsulogger (never could get EvoScan 2.1 to work), and now that I see my logged wideband AFRs, I'm seeing readings in the low 10s during spoolup and peak boost, which is where I'm having the sputtering problems. I've now gapped my plugs really low, and it's not sputtering, but I'm rich and knocking as soon as spool begins, and although the AFRs climb to the mid-11s, the knock continues lightly through the whole pull.
aren't AFR's in the 10:1 to mid 11:1 range pretty lean for e85?

unless you're really just reading a lambda in the .8 range and then converting to afr using the gasoline stoich reference. if that's the case then nevermind.

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Old Mar 11, 2008 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by griceiv
aren't AFR's in the 10:1 to mid 11:1 range pretty lean for e85?

unless you're really just reading a lambda in the .8 range and then converting to afr using the gasoline stoich reference. if that's the case then nevermind.
Pretty sure he's referring to gasoline equivalent numbers. . .
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Old Mar 11, 2008 | 12:05 PM
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yeah. My e85 knowledge is fairly limited. Unfortunately I already put my foot in my mouth before I realized that. oh well that's what the edit function is for.
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Yeah, gas corrected lambda values, since those are more universally understood.

Things are in much better shape now where I can run all out in all gears without sputtering and this is at higher boost then when I dyno'd after the mods, so I think it's safe to say I am now realizing gains over the previous setup, but I don't plan to get back on the dyno to verify for a while. We'll see how she holds up at Fontana on Friday!
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