2012 STU Discussion
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ButtDyno: the lone Evo gun in a sea of Subarus. 
Sillig, you're at a point that many people get to when it comes to modding their cars and competing in SCCA. The question is: what is more important? Modding your car how you want, rules be damned, or being competive in class? If it's the latter, you just have to accept that those are the rules and follow them regardless of what you think. That goes for any sort of motorsports competition. They all have rules that have to be followed and they will have some that you don't agree with or that you think makes sense. That's just how it is.
Now that's not to say that rules can't be changed. As ButtDyno states, try coming up with a rewrite of the rule that would make the swap legal without opening up a can of worms? And if you allow this one little rule change, which effectively would allow for weight reduction, then what's the next thing you allow? Once you've set the precedent, the snowball can start building up until you end up with SP on street tires, which I believe is the primary goal in rules setting for the ST* classes. They've recently done some takebacks and have been a little stricter in hopes of keeping the class "streetable" and also not creating loopholes that create "must have" mods (or the appearance of such) in order to be competitive.
Sillig, you're at a point that many people get to when it comes to modding their cars and competing in SCCA. The question is: what is more important? Modding your car how you want, rules be damned, or being competive in class? If it's the latter, you just have to accept that those are the rules and follow them regardless of what you think. That goes for any sort of motorsports competition. They all have rules that have to be followed and they will have some that you don't agree with or that you think makes sense. That's just how it is.
Now that's not to say that rules can't be changed. As ButtDyno states, try coming up with a rewrite of the rule that would make the swap legal without opening up a can of worms? And if you allow this one little rule change, which effectively would allow for weight reduction, then what's the next thing you allow? Once you've set the precedent, the snowball can start building up until you end up with SP on street tires, which I believe is the primary goal in rules setting for the ST* classes. They've recently done some takebacks and have been a little stricter in hopes of keeping the class "streetable" and also not creating loopholes that create "must have" mods (or the appearance of such) in order to be competitive.
I guess this is inline with the issue of enjoying your car vs being STU compliant. Can I move the 'T' of the stock turbo control lines closer to the BCS area? Using the same hose quality/dimensions, stock 'boost pills' so that its a easier to and from stock boost control setup. Can you also confirm I can move the location of the BCS under STU rules? I'm thinking of extending my air intake downwards the airbox area. thanks for the feedback
I guess this is inline with the issue of enjoying your car vs being STU compliant. Can I move the 'T' of the stock turbo control lines closer to the BCS area? Using the same hose quality/dimensions, stock 'boost pills' so that its a easier to and from stock boost control setup. Can you also confirm I can move the location of the BCS under STU rules? I'm thinking of extending my air intake downwards the airbox area. thanks for the feedback
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you know that, but to those that don't; the latest iterations of the rules don't allow for any body/cosmetic mods... horse sh@#$@, really, and it's not doing the SCCA any favors.
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F. Addition of spoilers, splitters, rear wings, bumper covers, valances,
side skirts, and non-functional sccops/vents is allowed provided that
either:
1. It is a production part which is standard or optional equipment of a
US model of the vehicle.
2. It is listed in the vehicle manufacturer.s US accessory catalog
for that vehicle for normal highway use. This does not allow for
parts sold through a manufacturer.s performance catalog (e.g.,
Ford Racing, HPD, MazdaSpeed, Mopar Performance, Mugen,
NISMO, SPT, TRD, etc).
side skirts, and non-functional sccops/vents is allowed provided that
either:
1. It is a production part which is standard or optional equipment of a
US model of the vehicle.
2. It is listed in the vehicle manufacturer.s US accessory catalog
for that vehicle for normal highway use. This does not allow for
parts sold through a manufacturer.s performance catalog (e.g.,
Ford Racing, HPD, MazdaSpeed, Mopar Performance, Mugen,
NISMO, SPT, TRD, etc).
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As long as it weighs the same, or close, with no significantly measurable impact to aero, I don't really care. Actually, I don't really care either way. Unless it's Geoff, then I'm protesting. If it's John, I'm not going to pay attention to what's behind me.
Awww SNAP!
I'm looking forward to seeing how much speed you've gained with the new diff and a car that's actually making more whp than a Honda.
Awww SNAP!
I'm looking forward to seeing how much speed you've gained with the new diff and a car that's actually making more whp than a Honda.
Finally read the 2012 rules and apparently our concerns about stock vs aftermarket motor mounts was incorrect. The limitation described is the volume of metal in the replacement may not be increased. So I suppose one could install the alum mounts?
BasicFun: What Ohlins do you run? I have R&T's and am looking to revalve. The local dealer is not that familiar with AX valving and short of showing him a dyno not sure how to tell him I want them except for - tons of low speed rebound. Any help would be appreciated.
Rebuilt the diff this week, but have not driven the car yet. Surprised how tiny the plates are and that they would make that great a difference but I'm hoping. Going to start with the Diaqueen cause that's what I have and move to the NS stuff if needed.
Anybody read Hollis Racing post on spring rates he ran in the ST car?
BasicFun: What Ohlins do you run? I have R&T's and am looking to revalve. The local dealer is not that familiar with AX valving and short of showing him a dyno not sure how to tell him I want them except for - tons of low speed rebound. Any help would be appreciated.
Rebuilt the diff this week, but have not driven the car yet. Surprised how tiny the plates are and that they would make that great a difference but I'm hoping. Going to start with the Diaqueen cause that's what I have and move to the NS stuff if needed.
Anybody read Hollis Racing post on spring rates he ran in the ST car?
[QUOTE=piknockout;9970465]... If it's John, I'm not going to pay attention to what's behind me.
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I read this, and thought daymn, that's harsh! Then i saw the smiley way down there.
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I read this, and thought daymn, that's harsh! Then i saw the smiley way down there.
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From: Why do they always call the Evo the Dark Side?
For those of you who have done Prosolos, what did you set your standing rev limiter to? I was contemplating whether I should try to find a ride with someone for the DC Pro, or actually run the Evo and risk the clutch...
Ship em to someone else? Performance Shock for instance?
You mean the different rates for each corner?
I think the cars will be awfully close. The drivers, ehh. Gotta do a school
Josh has been beating me for a number of years. 
BasicFun: What Ohlins do you run? I have R&T's and am looking to revalve. The local dealer is not that familiar with AX valving and short of showing him a dyno not sure how to tell him I want them except for - tons of low speed rebound. Any help would be appreciated.
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Well we know that the Evo is the better car, just have to get it running and setup right. Perhaps we can do another car swap sometime, I would be interested to see how it feels now.
Rick, I would never say something like that to anyone in a serious fashion. John and I have been friends for a while and the joking around is all in good fun! I'm really excited to see the car improve seeing John continue to become more competitive.
Rick, I would never say something like that to anyone in a serious fashion. John and I have been friends for a while and the joking around is all in good fun! I'm really excited to see the car improve seeing John continue to become more competitive.
I'm confused though, the rules in STU are in place to limit cost and you're apparently on a limited budget, but you choose to go to $M instead of leaving the intake stock?
Last edited by griceiv; Feb 17, 2012 at 12:18 PM.
anyway. my bad. thanks for the info
hey, not everyone has dedicated spec cars or can afford to time, space and money wise so I believe thats why we have the run what you brung ST classes.
moving the location of the BCS for example IMO should be ok for STU. not that i'm insisting it to be so, it just has no performance impact and relocating small parts are very common, especially its directly impacted by the air intake allowance. how about the very common practice of rerouting throttle cables? organizing engine wirings? adding a spring on the dipstick? moving the hazzard button?
it seems that to enjoy my car just a little itsy bit (trying common mods on evom) would take me out of the class and maybe need to run in SP(which run race compound)
Last edited by ViciousLSD; Feb 17, 2012 at 12:56 PM.