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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 07:05 AM
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is it pretty pnp?
Wiring the fan? Just cut and solder two wires.
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 11:38 AM
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Potential issue with electric pumps is current draw.
Alternator has to be able to support it, and also battery has to be sized to accommodate the current draw.

When it comes to electric water pump and electric power steering pumps, it seems results are mixed, in part due to electrical load, and in part due to Evo specific demands- like Insufficient power for power steering rack in quick transitions.
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 12:30 PM
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You can mount it really almost anywhere. I'd try to find some place on the frame rails that's convenient.
sorry i mean like which part of the water system do u mount it into. like pre thermostat on the bottom rad hose or what?
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 12:45 PM
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With an electric water pump you can run with out a Tstat and just PWM the water pump to regulate coolant temp.
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 12:46 PM
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sorry i mean like which part of the water system do u mount it into. like pre thermostat on the bottom rad hose or what?
On the engine side of the tstat, like the stock pump is. The goal is to circulate coolant thru the engine regardless of if the tstat is open or closed. Alternatively you could maybe run no tstat and have the pump be controlled by a PID system that's based off engine temp.
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 02:28 PM
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Sorry but IMO adding an electric water pump is a bad idea. Your adding expense, weight, complexity, and robbing HP. Why not just let it cool down before killing it, give it some revs if you need to increase coolant flow.
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 02:31 PM
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Sorry but IMO adding an electric water pump is a bad idea. Your adding expense, weight, complexity, and robbing HP. Why not just let it cool down before killing it, give it some revs if you need to increase coolant flow.
Quite the opposite IMO, yea it's more money but weight gain isn't much, it's not complex at all (actually less complex since you can run no stat or water pump pulley and you'll gain HP because the engine isn't directly driving the water pump.

You can cool the engine with the car off and you can bleed the system without running the engine. There's lots of upsides to it. The hardest part is efficiently packaging it.
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 02:42 PM
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Yes mech pump gets deleted. There are a few companies that sell delete plates. The electric pump can be mounted anywhere you choose. Definitely buy a quality pump, there's only a handful of names I trust for that.

STM delete plate: https://stmtuned.com/products/stm-ev...UaAo0zEALw_wcB

MAP sells one too as well as a few other evo specialty shops. As for a pump I'd look at Craig Davies, they're pretty much the biggest name in electric water pumps and they're over on your side of the Pacific.
I kinda like the idea of not having the water pump spinning up water at however-many-thousands-of-RPM. seems like a nice, steady stream would be better? I don't know really. Just thinking it out in my head.
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ayoustin
Quite the opposite IMO, yea it's more money but weight gain isn't much, it's not complex at all (actually less complex since you can run no stat or water pump pulley and you'll gain HP because the engine isn't directly driving the water pump.

You can cool the engine with the car off and you can bleed the system without running the engine. There's lots of upsides to it. The hardest part is efficiently packaging it.
I'm going to have to disagree with pretty much all of that. Unless we are talking about a drag car with no alternator and a large low R battery. Firstly the pump with a motor will weigh more. Then you have additional coolant lines. Then heavy gauge wiring to power the pump. Then you need some kind of a pump controller. You would have to upgrade the alternator to supply enough current. Then there is the Crux because converting mechanical energy to electricity and then back to mechanical will never be as efficient. Where the mechanical pump might take 5 hp to turn the electric will suck 10hp through the alternator. I pulled those numbers out of my *** but I hope it illustrates the point.
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 02:50 PM
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Damn. How much power does it take to move a couple gallons of coolant through an engine????
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 02:57 PM
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Lol it's not some huge industrial sized electrical pump. They're pretty compact units. The additional plumbing and wiring is a couple pounds at most. The pump can easily be controlled by lots of standalone ECUs. And yes, it does take less energy, because you can control pump speed independent from engine speed which also decreases the likelihood of having cavitations in the water system.

Here you go, from the horse's mouth: https://daviescraig.com.au/electric-water-pumps

Here's one of their basic 12V pumps, pulls a max of 7.5 amps. https://daviescraig.com.au/product/e...-pump-12v-8105


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I kinda like the idea of not having the water pump spinning up water at however-many-thousands-of-RPM. seems like a nice, steady stream would be better? I don't know really. Just thinking it out in my head.
They're both impeller style pumps so how they intake and expel water is a similar fashion but having independent control over the pump speed absolutely has plenty of upsides. In an ideal world the only accessory you drive with the engine would be the alternator, and maybe the oil pump (some would argue against that tho).

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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 03:28 PM
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Well we can agree to disagree then. Do as you will.
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ayoustin

Here you go, from the horse's mouth: https://daviescraig.com.au/electric-water-pumps
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Well we can agree to disagree then. Do as you will.
Davies, Craig is obviously in the market of selling parts. I, personally, am willing to listen to both sides.
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 04:16 PM
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I know there are added costs... but this is pretty damned cheap, IMO.

https://daviescraig.com.au/product/e...combo-12v-8907
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 05:10 PM
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Davies, Craig is obviously in the market of selling parts. I, personally, am willing to listen to both sides.
I'm a techie, If i can sprinkle some technology on something to make it better I will try. I started looking into electric water pumps a decade ago for my mustang. Every now and then I look back into it and my research always leads me back to the conclusions I have laid out. There certainly are use cases where an electric pump makes sense, maybe yours is one of them. I would highly advise you to do more research and look for testimonials from people using a product for the same purposes that you intend.
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