Upgrading 8/9 front brakes
Be awesome if I can get them off you and source the calipers here in the UK.
I'm running CP5575 (E46 M3 fronts switched around for leading vs trailing) and X rotors, so running CP8350 rears will match up pretty well and keep all consumables easy to source.
I'm running CP5575 (E46 M3 fronts switched around for leading vs trailing) and X rotors, so running CP8350 rears will match up pretty well and keep all consumables easy to source.
in the corvette world it’s super common to ses radical front with the yellow lettered rear.
I PM’d Austin that im in ... let’s get more people signed up to make this happen!
I really need to back out of this thread because I have no business being in the motorsports section. However, I seem to be hitting 600-ish DynoJet whp, so on the street/autocross I want the cold bite of a streetable pad, but also some reassurance coming down from local mountains. I don't know if the front X swap will give me that.
Also, I'm still unclear, what would I do with the fronts to complement 5830 rears? 9660s? Over 5k for the whole thing, right?
I was just revisiting this Brembo GT BBK MotoIQ article from 2009, still relevant to this thread: https://motoiq.com/project-evo-ix-pa...rake-system/2/
Also, I'm still unclear, what would I do with the fronts to complement 5830 rears? 9660s? Over 5k for the whole thing, right?
I was just revisiting this Brembo GT BBK MotoIQ article from 2009, still relevant to this thread: https://motoiq.com/project-evo-ix-pa...rake-system/2/
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I really need to back out of this thread because I have no business being in the motorsports section. However, I seem to be hitting 600-ish DynoJet whp, so on the street/autocross I want the cold bite of a streetable pad, but also some reassurance coming down from local mountains. I don't know if the front X swap will give me that.
Also, I'm still unclear, what would I do with the fronts to complement 5830 rears? 9660s? Over 5k for the whole thing, right?
I was just revisiting this Brembo GT BBK MotoIQ article from 2009, still relevant to this thread: https://motoiq.com/project-evo-ix-pa...rake-system/2/
Also, I'm still unclear, what would I do with the fronts to complement 5830 rears? 9660s? Over 5k for the whole thing, right?
I was just revisiting this Brembo GT BBK MotoIQ article from 2009, still relevant to this thread: https://motoiq.com/project-evo-ix-pa...rake-system/2/
Last edited by kaj; Dec 19, 2021 at 10:24 AM.
I really need to back out of this thread because I have no business being in the motorsports section. However, I seem to be hitting 600-ish DynoJet whp, so on the street/autocross I want the cold bite of a streetable pad, but also some reassurance coming down from local mountains. I don't know if the front X swap will give me that.
Also, I'm still unclear, what would I do with the fronts to complement 5830 rears? 9660s? Over 5k for the whole thing, right?
I was just revisiting this Brembo GT BBK MotoIQ article from 2009, still relevant to this thread: https://motoiq.com/project-evo-ix-pa...rake-system/2/
Also, I'm still unclear, what would I do with the fronts to complement 5830 rears? 9660s? Over 5k for the whole thing, right?
I was just revisiting this Brembo GT BBK MotoIQ article from 2009, still relevant to this thread: https://motoiq.com/project-evo-ix-pa...rake-system/2/
Road racing has different needs than street and mountains. And 600whp has its own. Anything with cold bite isn't going to last long. Not much of a trade off to be honest. At 600hp you are to a point where you don't get to compromise any more. Other than street driving - for that, any pad will do. I'd go with something low-dust.
Something like the DS2500 or EBC Blue is pretty weak in bite and certainly on the too soft side. Totally fine for a 400hp street car but not track use. I really loving the XP10s right now but if I do more track time this year I may try the XT12 with an X rotor.
I tried them to combat the noise but hot brake performance was so much worse than XP12 that I just gave up. On stock sized rotors XP12 was the solution. They would get noisy when not exercised on a regular bassis, but only at very low speed, and do require good discs.
FYI I brought up the piston size/rotor/brake bias to AP Racing, here is what they said:
Brake torque is proportional to the piston area multiplied by the effective braking radius. The effective braking radius is measured from the center of the disc to the center of the caliper pistons (where the pressure is applied). Our increase in the effective radius is much bigger than the 325 mm versus 320 mm change in disc sizing indicates because the pistons are closer to the outer edge of the disc. That helps make up for the reduced piston area. And, the reduced piston area allows for a shorter pedal travel for a more predictable and confidence-inspiring pedal.
We have supplied quite a few of these brake kits and have not had any complaints about balance. It has been working quite well in all applications, and we do not anticipate any changes in our specifications or design.
We have supplied quite a few of these brake kits and have not had any complaints about balance. It has been working quite well in all applications, and we do not anticipate any changes in our specifications or design.
The pistons still need to stay relatively centered over the pad to keep pad taper from being an issue. The difference in radial depth between stock and the CP8250 pad profile is 10mm. Their kit still shifts bias to the rear by more than they advertise. And again, that's not a bad thing. They are right that the smaller pistons will help with pedal feel if you prefer a shorter pedal travel.
The pistons still need to stay relatively centered over the pad to keep pad taper from being an issue. The difference in radial depth between stock and the CP8250 pad profile is 10mm. Their kit still shifts bias to the rear by more than they advertise. And again, that's not a bad thing. They are right that the smaller pistons will help with pedal feel if you prefer a shorter pedal travel.












