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Old Sep 3, 2021 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ViciousLSD
I dont think there's a way you can save the dust boots
I really rebuilt them because my passenger side has always had a squeak from the brakes when driving around town with the ST-43s. They were annoyingly noisy at stops but a just enough volume to even hear, high pitched, intermittent squeak at all times was worse. I always thought it was the pistons dragging but the rebuild didn't change anything. To this day it annoys the crap out of me.

I'll let you buy the pistons on ebay as long as they're from Racing Brake. I'm all for cheap and/or used parts but not off brand, especially not off brand in brake components. The picture doesn't even match our brakes. If they can't get a picture for a product ad correct I don't trust them to get proper size or surface finish on brake pistons.
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Old Sep 3, 2021 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by terror rising
I really rebuilt them because my passenger side has always had a squeak from the brakes when driving around town with the ST-43s. They were annoyingly noisy at stops but a just enough volume to even hear, high pitched, intermittent squeak at all times was worse. I always thought it was the pistons dragging but the rebuild didn't change anything. To this day it annoys the crap out of me.

I'll let you buy the pistons on ebay as long as they're from Racing Brake. I'm all for cheap and/or used parts but not off brand, especially not off brand in brake components. The picture doesn't even match our brakes. If they can't get a picture for a product ad correct I don't trust them to get proper size or surface finish on brake pistons.
I have some tricks to quiet them down but its too ghetto. lower chance of working on very aggressive pads
My first 5.0 was quiet, 2nd and 3rd was very noisy (sellers sold for that exact reason). now these pads are quiet, i think enough brake dust got into it during the TT
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Old Sep 3, 2021 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ViciousLSD
I will get there eventually. mainly, safety first. I'm more worried about other cars than corners. Right now i'm learning the braking for this track, it seem i do better doing 'brake checks' (pumping) than 'braking straight'.
so having stock brembos, how can i tell if its time to rebuild or change seals. I'll probably do that before the srf goes in
I guess it depends on which aspect of safety you put first. I didn't want to go off course at 125mph, so focused on brakes. That's always #2 for me, with #1 being common-sense, basic maintenance.
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Old Sep 3, 2021 | 08:50 PM
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FWIW, there comes a point where it's just cheaper to move to an aftermarket brake setup. I moved to Wilwood (don't tase me bro) calipers because they don't use dust seals so there's nothing to melt and they come with stainless pistons and anti knock back springs from the get go. Eventually I'll get something fancy like some APs or Alcons.

But if you do the math of how often you go through pads and rotors, the aftermarket stuff usually makes sense in the long run. The rotors are way harder so they don't wear nearly as fast nor do they crack as easily. The pads are thicker so they last longer and they're usually a pretty similar price to OE pads of the same compound. The calipers are more robust, not needing rebuilds nearly as often and they're usually available in a hard anodize finish so they don't ever discolor and brake fluid doesn't damage the finish. Also, with some they only require you to bleed from one bleeder instead of two which is a nice time saver when bleeding brakes.
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Old Sep 3, 2021 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ayoustin
FWIW, there comes a point where it's just cheaper to move to an aftermarket brake setup. I moved to Wilwood (don't tase me bro) calipers because they don't use dust seals so there's nothing to melt and they come with stainless pistons and anti knock back springs from the get go. Eventually I'll get something fancy like some APs or Alcons.

But if you do the math of how often you go through pads and rotors, the aftermarket stuff usually makes sense in the long run. The rotors are way harder so they don't wear nearly as fast nor do they crack as easily. The pads are thicker so they last longer and they're usually a pretty similar price to OE pads of the same compound. The calipers are more robust, not needing rebuilds nearly as often and they're usually available in a hard anodize finish so they don't ever discolor and brake fluid doesn't damage the finish. Also, with some they only require you to bleed from one bleeder instead of two which is a nice time saver when bleeding brakes.
I agree with you but cant help to keep it street/enthusiast level only and shoot for best times with these parts. I know brake upgrades can be enthusiast level, but I do want to see the brembo do the best it can first before i chuck it out honestly i thought of checking out big brake upgrades since these look tiny when i tried out the hypergrams .
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Old Sep 3, 2021 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by terror rising
I'll let you buy the pistons on ebay as long as they're from Racing Brake. .
can i buy these?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/15346806390...Cclp%3A2334524
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Old Sep 4, 2021 | 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ayoustin
Sounds like he's running Valvoline DOT4 which is a parts store synthetic fluid, it's definitely not up to the task of track abuse. Also, brake fluid temps are in F, at 600C the brake calipers would be close to melting by the time the fluid is boiling lol. Also, another point that's often overlooked when comparing higher end fluids is compressibility, which definitely has a decent impact on pedal feel.




I run RBF600 in all my cars that see track use. Certainly not the best of the best but cheap and readily available at plenty of places compared to more exotic fluids. I don't think I'll ever need anything better for the Fit tho may step up to 660 for the evo or maybe try something else.
oops got my Cs and Fs mixed up 😂
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Old Sep 4, 2021 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ViciousLSD
Interesting find. Looks like a kit with the older generation CP9650 calipers. About $750 cheaper than the current generation CP9660 kit: https://www.essexparts.com/ap-racing...er-evo-viii-ix

EDIT: About $1000 cheaper overall because it also comes with pads, which are additional cost on the CP9660 kit
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Old Sep 4, 2021 | 09:15 AM
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For $3700 that's a great deal. Even an older gen caliper is leagues ahead of the stock stuff. AP is also usually pretty good about continued product support too.
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Old Sep 4, 2021 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Construct
Be warned that the ST-43 (and other race compounds) can have incredibly loud squeal during street driving.

They're great on track, but if you drive the car on the streets you'll likely want to switch back to regular pads between events.
I found that is more from the rear pads, at least on my Evo 10. I swap out the rear pads (I run ST47 front, ST43 rear) but keep the ST47's in front and they are basically silent on the drive to/from.

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Old Sep 4, 2021 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Crzykdd
Only thing, Castrol SRF is like crazy $$$, its like 3-4 times the cost, lol. I'm sure it works but man...I guess if you get more than one track event out of it though....
I didn't have to bleed fluid for three events compared to Motul every event, sometimes half way through the day. It's a wash cash wise, less spongy pedal and I deal with brake fluid way less often. Win for me.

That said, I agree with ALL of the above around there is a time to go aftermarket brake kit. Since I went to a stoptech trophy kit in the front, literally every single braking issue I had went away. They cost the same as a old used car but man, next to my ohlins, it's the best mod I have done for the car.
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Old Sep 4, 2021 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ViciousLSD
I agree with you but cant help to keep it street/enthusiast level only and shoot for best times with these parts. I know brake upgrades can be enthusiast level, but I do want to see the brembo do the best it can first before i chuck it out honestly i thought of checking out big brake upgrades since these look tiny when i tried out the hypergrams .
You can manage with OEM stuff, it's just usually easier with aftermarket. Or X brakes with MR rotors, in my case.
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Old Sep 4, 2021 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ViciousLSD
I see a few stock pictures. Different colors. Are any of those picture the actual brakes?
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Old Sep 5, 2021 | 12:26 AM
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I see a few stock pictures. Different colors. Are any of those picture the actual brakes?
That's all you get on the internets. well there's the unbeatable money back guarantee as well, but that only works if paypal is used. They're on FB and it seems the rotors are legit, I only see hard-parking applications tho
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Old Sep 5, 2021 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ViciousLSD
That's all you get on the internets. well there's the unbeatable money back guarantee as well, but that only works if paypal is used. They're on FB and it seems the rotors are legit, I only see hard-parking applications tho
Hm...I'm happy with my brakes...but these would save a ton of weight.

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Yeah, I dunno....



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