Have a hard time believing coils are to blame with the OEM COP system the X's come with. Hope you figure it out.

 

We have actually found that maybe the ignition system starts to struggle on the x when pushing the extremes. We are in the process of trying some new coils to eliminate a faulty coil.. then it will be on with some okada project coils

However like I said maybe its just a faulty coil.

 

Dyno Dynamics in Mode Shoot_44 cannot be manipulated all perameters are locked to factory presets for WHP you can then choose to have it calculate Flywheel HP if you wish displayed as HP (WHP) and SHP (Flywheel HP). All perameters are shown on the printout barometrics ambient temperature CF so there is no getting around anything.

In the UK lots of people used to have the same arguments for years. Then here it became the under written rule with Dyno Dynamics that unless it was Shoot_44 WHP with all the perameters showing it was BS. In it's design the "CF SHOOT_??" perameters were put there so results could be compared world wide with accuracey.

When i look at results you guy's get over here particularly on stock blocks it's clear to see by looking at psi, boost and fuel used if the WHP claim is BS or not. "Some" of the Dynojet claims i've seen on here clearly are BS so how you can say they are all true WHP and have not been manipulated is beyond me.

There is no "majic dust" an engine will only accept the air, fuel and timming the parts and fuel used will allow.

As for World records, i don't think a banzai 10 second dyno pull on the ragged edge of det means anything apart from you were lucky on that run! take the car untouched and run 50 laps of a curcuit in a day at full power. Then it would be impressive!!!

 

We should probably bring the thread back on topic. These dyno threads will always unfold the same. Its just getting worse now comparing drag cars to circuit cars to autox cars and rally tunes. Every application is different. You can even custom tailor tunes specifically to be a dyno queen. Whatever the objective, it is up to the customer to determine the goals and direction for the car whether a drag platform, road race car or dyno queen. Each tune is different.

 

I see your point and think it should be made clear.

What i fear is people thinking a stock engine will handle X hundred WHP and try to replicate it thinking it will handle that all day everyday when it won't.

Good luck to all involved

 

He already that they are going to keep it at 570ish for a street tune. Mad props for that, as for the record GOOD LUCK and everyone does need to stop hating on this build. This is one of the most well documented engine builds so props to DG and TJ for doing all of this. It is threads like this that make being member on a forum like this worthwile. It doesnt mean that you should go out and try to replicate this, but it gives you one hell of an idea of the direction to go to make a build this EPIC. But dont expect to self tune if you dont know what you are doing leave that to the PROs like DG and many other vendors and tuners on here. So good luck to you guys and cant wait to see the results.

 

We feel the exact same way about this as it didn't quite sound/look like an ignition break up.

Thanks to a JR @ ETS and Aaron @ English Racing we all think we narrowed it down to the Evo X's stock map sensor at this point. We are going to try an omni 4- bar and strap the car back up.

We are 90% sure since it now clearly is not an ignition break up. The car hits a brick wall as if the throttle closes and opens back up. You can still pull the car through this break up but never sounded like an ignition misfire.

This will be good data if this omni 4-bar will solve the issue and allow us to continue our testing.

 

cool you getting back on the dyno tonight?

 

I have to order the map sensor, un-fortunately we are most likely looking at Wednesday or Thursday.

Good news is that we seem to have figured it out. To be honest that is all it really could be....fingers crossed

 

My plan was to add the Okada Project Coils too. I wanted to see what all the stock components would get us. If the map sensor does the trick then we're all good. But regardless, i WILL be getting the Okada Coils, no matter what!

Thanks!

yea, i am more then happy with 570ish for dailey use. The record will be hit, the map will be saved and we will move on. Once i get some racing time in, and i'm ready, we will see how far she can and will go with the current set up, until she goes BOOOOOOM! Then, swap out the motor with the motor we will have on hand. I am 110% happy with the work DG has provided and i feel that this not only is helping DG and myself learn more about the 4B11, but the whole Evolution X community. Thanks!

Yea, THANKS to JR @ ETS and Aaron @ ENGLISH RACING for your help and support! And also, THANKS to DG MoToRs for the time and patients with this build!!!

No dyno tonight, prolly the end of the week...

Order it UP! Let's gett er done and prove to shyt talkers, that all they talk. Sucks when these are supposed "professionals".

 

In your situation, what is it doing? Mine is falling on it's face and popping codes and wanted to see if what you were having was the same as mine. ??

 

Ive had ignition problems that sound exactly like what your describing so dont rule that out yet.

 

i think everyone is forgetting the fact that someone is risking their motor JUST for the benefit of the evo community.

 

That's EXACTLY what i seen. I got a call from Charlie, aka the Northeast's finest Evo Tuner, and he stated that he decided, with the help of the professionals following this, that it is actually the stock map sensor, which is 3.0 bar. We ordered either a 4.0 or 5.0 bar map sensor. I just got a txt from Pete @ DG and he told me to plan on being there on Thursday, but i told him Friday would be better for me.

Check the Map Sensor, apparently it is only good for 28 psi. After numorous runs on the dyno under 28 psi, everything seems fine. As soon as we crank up the boost to target 29-30psi + she gets all stupid and acts retarded.

 

It took the Northeast's finest evo tuner this long to figure out that a 3 bar map sensor ran out of resolution at 30 psi.....That is a bit worrying to me....

1Bar= 0 PSI on boost gauge
2Bar= 14.7 psi on boost gauge
3Bar=29.4 psi on boost gauge

Who and or why would you ever run more boost than the boost sensor is capable of reading?

When you do this you cannot account for the amount of boost the car is producing, not a wise idea.

Scorke