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Old Jul 1, 2010 | 10:50 AM
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Andy, you can corner balance a stock strut car... if you know how
hmmm...shimming the springs at the perch?
Old Jul 1, 2010 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
being a drag racer I'm sure you've seen your fair share leave their internals on the line @ Atco... I sure know I have.
of course its not like everyone you see at atco knows what they are doing

Has your friend considered an ls(x) powered miata? Probably could build one for $15-20k depending on skill level and whether the right tools are available.

I'd argue its ultimately the better car, though that will depend on what its used for.
Old Jul 1, 2010 | 10:58 AM
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On that note...ive been dying for a project vehicle but i know i'll never ever complete it. buy a used is/gs and drop in a 2jz. Theres a doctor that comes to our shop with a 2jz'ed sc and that thing is bananas.
you need to just buy this:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ot...treet-car.html

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hmmm...shimming the springs at the perch?
nope, all that would do is increase the spring rate. if you wanted to shift weight from one corner to another, and didn't have the option of moving the spring perch, you would do it by adjustable swaybar endlinks. By adding tension or loosening the links you can adjust how much weight sits on that particular corner of the car, thus changing the overall balance.
Old Jul 1, 2010 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
this is true. I think with his price range he's going to have no choice but to settle for an FC or pick another platform all together.



being a drag racer I'm sure you've seen your fair share leave their internals on the line @ Atco... I sure know I have.

anyone see that Pass Time episode on speed where the dude had a rotary and when the announcer guy asked him why he did he choose a rotor car over a piston car, his response was "rotaries are better than piston motors cause they have less moving parts and break less...". Wouldn't you know it, his car BROKE while doing a burnout.
I saw that episode...

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nope, all that would do is increase the spring rate. if you wanted to shift weight from one corner to another, and didn't have the option of moving the spring perch, you would do it by adjustable swaybar endlinks. By adding tension or loosening the links you can adjust how much weight sits on that particular corner of the car, thus changing the overall balance.
Wouldn't that effect the way the car turns in too? I would think that would throw it off, or would that be the purpose of doing said balancing?
Old Jul 1, 2010 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
you need to just buy this:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ot...treet-car.html



nope, all that would do is increase the spring rate. if you wanted to shift weight from one corner to another, and didn't have the option of moving the spring perch, you would do it by adjustable swaybar endlinks. By adding tension or loosening the links you can adjust how much weight sits on that particular corner of the car, thus changing the overall balance.
Vettes are overrated. esp ones with leaf springs..

wouldnt you have to cut actually cut the spring to change the rate? Some people cut the spring then shim it to up their rates but keep the ride height the same. Wouldnt shimming the spring just increase height (shift weight?) Not arguing just having a constructive discussion for once
Old Jul 1, 2010 | 11:35 AM
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Wouldn't that effect the way the car turns in too? I would think that would throw it off, or would that be the purpose of doing said balancing?
I think that's the purpose. One side will have a slightly greater resistence to roll. You wont be able to balance front/rear this way.

Wont the swaybar be pulling weight off of one wheel while the car is in a neutral position? So you sacrifice a little overall grip, for a bit of balance?
Old Jul 1, 2010 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by grillpt
I saw that episode...



Wouldn't that effect the way the car turns in too? I would think that would throw it off, or would that be the purpose of doing said balancing?
it should effect a lot of things, hopefully for the better... thats the reason why you balance in the first place.

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Vettes are overrated. esp ones with leaf springs..

wouldnt you have to cut actually cut the spring to change the rate? Some people cut the spring then shim it to up their rates but keep the ride height the same. Wouldnt shimming the spring just increase height (shift weight?) Not arguing just having a constructive discussion for once
I know you're not arguing dude. The way I understand it, when static, the spring should be slightly under compression (thats why you need a spring compressor to safely remove them), so if the shock is already extended to its max limit (spring is pushing on the perch and hat of the shock), and you were to shim the spring, all you would be doing is adding rate, not chaning the height.

btw, a transvers leaf spring car such as a c5z can run circles around a macpherson strut car like an EVO... just look at how each car is classed by the SCCA.
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Old Jul 1, 2010 | 12:31 PM
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Old Jul 1, 2010 | 12:32 PM
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Old Jul 1, 2010 | 12:33 PM
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Old Jul 1, 2010 | 12:33 PM
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Old Jul 1, 2010 | 01:27 PM
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Old Jul 1, 2010 | 02:24 PM
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Hello Kevin.

How are youz today?

You'll have to let me know your findings after you have that thing up in the air this weekend...
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Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
it should effect a lot of things, hopefully for the better... thats the reason why you balance in the first place.



I know you're not arguing dude. The way I understand it, when static, the spring should be slightly under compression (thats why you need a spring compressor to safely remove them), so if the shock is already extended to its max limit (spring is pushing on the perch and hat of the shock), and you were to shim the spring, all you would be doing is adding rate, not chaning the height.

btw, a transvers leaf spring car such as a c5z can run circles around a macpherson strut car like an EVO... just look at how each car is classed by the SCCA.
My old suburban had leafsprings. I wonder what class it would run in.



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