This is all 100% true as I was sending money to Adam like crazy the last time I was in Afghanistan. He guided me in the direction of the EF3 (which I purchased). I read about the EF4 in a few threads and figured that it would be more suitable for the 2.4LR (which again, bought through Adam) and I was not impressed and have done just as Adam stated, purchased a FP Red which is being tuned as we speak (type) that I am happy with. I trust Adam's judgment 100% even when I am being stubborn.

 

Haha you don't need to keep giving more information. I completely understand what you're saying and why you're saying it, and totally get that you have experience.

However, you have half the community saying their switch to S3s was the best thing they did to their car, and you have the other half saying that you don't need S3s until 800whp.

My point:

I don't need this car. I didn't need a 4g64. I didn't just need to buy a built head. I clearly had already made up my mind on getting 280s when I first posted "this means a ported head and S3s". I'm going in there, so I want to do it now, rather than later. I hate having something on my mind like "I wonder what my car would feel like with those 280s". I can always go back if I don't like it, and until then, accept me as a dumb, stubborn kid who likes to learn for himself.

In another respect, my 2.4L kills the IX turbo up top, so until I upgrade my turbo to whatever I choose to upgrade to, the extra punch up top will be nice, as I'll taper to like 17#s up there and need all the extra help I can get. The 2.4L will spool the IX turbo regardless. Sven made 43#s at 3750 with S3s.

I don't think I'll go Kelford 280s at this point, as they seem to be a bit more sluggish than S3s, however, S3s are known to be very well mannered down low on a stroker without anything but maybe a 200rpm loss in spool on a bigger turbo.

Again, I completely respect your opinion, Adam, as I know you've been around this stuff a lot longer than me, but going with an S3 is something that I've wanted to do for awhile, for no reason other than "just to do it".

I wanted a damn TIG anyway, not to fix this stupid car again .



How bout this:

I won't tell anyone which cams I go with, but I'll post my dyno sheet when I get tuned, and have you guys guess what I went with.

 

 

I think Levar and I are similar in our stubbornness.

Adam, watch out or I'll come over and put 290s in your Scooby.

 

I don't see many of our 2.4L motors reving much past that 8500rpm mark and don't think the up top benefits of the S3 can really be seen with out needing to flow a lot more air that a GT40+ series or 80+lbs/min or reving to 9500+rpm where the S3 cam really does well, but with the stock frame turbo BBK-B 57lbs/min, FP Red 60lbs/min, and FP Black 67lbs/min the S2 does wonderful and are great for the rpm rang that most of the 2.4L will be running in. Make power all the way to red line on a Black with these cams.

If you where running a really big Turbo then I would be all for you opening up that air flow to allow that motor to breath more with the S3 cams because then you would probably be going for 700+whp.

With the limited RPM of the 2.4L and a Stock frame Turbo I still think the S2 is the best for that 600+whp goal. I have been recommend the S2 by many people for my setup. 450+whp on pump and 600~whp on E85.

My original goal for my car was 7500 rpm, standard 150mm rods vs the 156mm long rod setup I ended up going with, FR Green 73HTA 55~lbs/min turbo and 400+whp on pump and 500+whp on E85. That would have been great and the turbo would have started to taper off by red line on the 2.4 motor.

Anyway in the end to each there own and it is your car so we can't force you to do anything we say I just don't see it worth going to the S3 for the power on the turbo you want is all

Oh its the last day of July another month is over and a new one is about to begin, I need my car back on the road asap this is taking to long 2 months and counting on my 2.4L build

Oh and nice $500 daily I miss my $50 daily driver I had for over a year

 

I totally hear you, too. Honestly, the only large cam I have readily available right now are those Kelfords, which are out of the running, so I'll more than likely stick with S2s until I want to break some more stuff .

And I know how it feels!! Builds end up taking FOREVER!!

A cheap daily is awesome to have, for sure. I pulled the plugs last night and they were FILLED with oil . Off to get a new valve cover gasket now............

 

800+whp in the 2.0 motors 700+whp in the 2.4

True you can always go back and it is your car your stubborn ways

The S3 are better mannered than the Kelford 280 from what I have heard and seen as well

I can already tell what cams they are going to be and I am already going to say that they are S3's

 

I'm a sucker for GSC products. I run them in my Subaru as well as anything else they make products for that I own lol.

Tomei stuff isn't too bad either though

 

I like!!

 

I did too until I went to change the oil..........

I'm convinced that someone welded the oil filter on.

 

LOL. Use your man powers.

 

Dude this **** is ridiculous. I used a filter wrench and it just bent through the filter and didn't budge it .

Ima shoot up some roids real quick and then give it a go.

 

I use a pry bar or long flat head and hit the filter towards the base with the pry bar and hammer. Obviously in the direction of LOOSEN! LOL.

Had to do it on my bike, sucked ***.

 

The oil filter on this car is above the oil pan and sits underneath the alternator and right above the passengger axle. Solid placement, Saturn.

I ended up hitting a screwdriver all the way through and turning the filter with said leverage from screwdriver. Needless to say, the new one's going on hand tight.

 

First, I respect you. Second, you're from PA, so that's worth extra points too.

BUT... I have a 2.4LR, S3's, had a twin disk (just recently went to a triple) and it is a DD. Maybe it kicks *** because I insisted on staying with the MAF, I dunno. The triple is easier to drive than the twin was as well, that seems odd. Before the S3's, I had Kelford 272's.

I have had both, they were on a daily car, and from experience, I would not consider going back to 272/S2's. The 272's spooled ridiculously fast, but the S3's breath wayyy better.

This is on a FP Black.

P.S. I'm ready for this build to be done and the subscription to stop being updated... Good Luck!