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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 12:50 PM
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Nah brah, Mitsubishi has far more racing experience than Ford. It's not like this happened:

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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Biggiesacks
i really enjoyed this video about how the evo's awd system actually works. Short and straight to the point.

I know how it works. I can't watch the video at work, but it doesn't lock the clutches up. Yes, they are under less load than the FoRS clutches because they aren't creating all of the driving force via friction. But they are large clutches. And looking at the FoRS bits, they don't look like they are even as big as the Evo stuff.
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
I know how it works. I can't watch the video at work, but it doesn't lock the clutches up. Yes, they are under less load than the FoRS clutches because they aren't creating all of the driving force via friction. But they are large clutches. And looking at the FoRS bits, they don't look like they are even as big as the Evo stuff.
Oh yah, i wasn't trying to say you didn't, i just thought it would be useful for anyone who was curious/wanted to know more. The FoRS as far as i can tell is a FWD car with AWD tendencies where as the Evo is an AWD car through and through. No matter what the clutches are doing the car is still AWD its just a matter of how much power is being sent where.

Also I like the guys Youtube channel so im also trying to give him a plug
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 01:02 PM
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonno99
You Americaaaans are such a serious lot, don't forget our Evos are born and bread from rally racing of the 90s so what's on them mostly works on the tracks but the Ford is born and bread from YouTube clips and Facebook accounts where the color is more important then wether it can do 20 laps of your local track without overheating. Most will be parked out the front of your local coffee shop by rich kids and their mates while they sip skim cafe latte decafs and surf YouTube clips on their latest samsungs and show each other how it kicks serious buttt driven by some pro racer around nuremburgh or whateverrrr
1. Yeah. Ford is new to all this..







2. No way do most the "rally cars", in any town, hard park at the local boba store and compare stance and sticker points. Because race car, and all.
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 01:13 PM
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I would give my right nut for a ford RS200...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_RS200
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
thats nowhere near a good enough excuse. they can't market a car as AWD if its "normal operation" is to be FWD when it decides its too warm.
I've been uncomfortable with the on demand aspect of it. It's shutting down so it doesn't suffer catastrophic failure but what about the wear on a system that works in that manner over the long term?
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
That's the normal mode of operation for Mitsubishi AYC and ACD They're never fully locked.
Yeah but theres a central diff in the Evo splitting torque 50:50 even if the clutches and electronics die. The RDU in the Focus MUST slip to do anything, otherwise ...hello fat fwd Focus.
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by moparfan
Yeah but theres a central diff in the Evo splitting torque 50:50 even if the clutches and electronics die. The RDU in the Focus MUST slip to do anything, otherwise ...hello fat fwd Focus.
they were the ones talking about how great their new AWD system with no center diff is... turns out its not all that great
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
they were the ones talking about how great their new AWD system with no center diff is... turns out its not all that great
That is true. Everyone figured out early on that it's the twinster system from the Evoque. Ford was at pains to sat that they strengthened the unit for the greater power output and intended use of the Ford RS. In a later interview, the head of GKN said it is, indeed, the exact same physical unit.
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by revhappy
In depth review of the Focus RS' track readiness:

http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8453
Great read!!
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 05:07 PM
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Didn't Stock Evos have similar handling characteristics before we started modding them? I'm not being facetious, I really am asking LOL.
I don't like the car switching to safe mode, though. That is no bueno. Also, it looks like it's going to be a ***** to work on. All this is okay for me, as I'd daily the car.. but I feel for anyone that is looking to ditch an Evo in favor of an RS for track duty.
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 08:39 PM
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Evos never became fwd... can't really comment about understeer in stock form... My X was pretty good on a go kart track, but that's closer to an autox than actual track. I do know my X in stock form had a hair less understeer than a GR STi with GTWorx springs and a few geometry altering whiteline bushings on the same kart track. Far less than a stock STi. Not sure how that compares to the FoRS.
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
Evos never became fwd... .
Well, yeah. LOL. I know better than that, just saying most factory cars push.
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 10:18 PM
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well the US models would tend to under steer, it was originally corrected by getting a thicker rear sway bar, then people discovered Mitsubishi was doing funny things with the shims in the rear diff to reduce warranty claims. Once the rear diff was shimmed properly people had no problem getting the rear to kick out.
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