I think Manuel should step up here and tell you why the car has been here for the last 2-3 weeks. ( Honda injectors). But you would not understand that.

Bad Xede harness: I have heard that too many times.

6 diff BOVs: You had a boost leak, it was coming from teh BOV area. If we went to the dyno ( it was Saturday though), we would have seen it. I agree that your car is the first car that showed that symptom.
But let me ask you something: Shiv tol dyou that it is DEFINITELY the lower IC pipe. Well, it wa snot. Now I am wondering when are yopu gonna STAB him in teh back for that "bad throubleshooting"????

Manuels Evo will by dynoed before May 15th. We donot have to wait for a Xede dyno day to tune the AEM. We will need really just three pulls on the dyno, not hours and hours...

Thanks for acknowledging that we are a good shop. AEM EMS I sour preference. Why does not Aussie do AEM? Same reason... Autronic is there preference.

About the 43psi:
Ryan, I do not have to explain you all that now, but there you go:

Autronic measures ONLY ABSOLUTE pressure. So if your MAP sesnor shows 100kpa, that is 0psi. 0kpa is -14.xx psi.
200kps is really 14.xx psi.

AEM is smarter. I can go and setup the load the way I want it. I can set up my MAP sesnor from 0kps to 500kps ( it is a 5bar MAP). From taht 500kpa, 100kps is athmosperic pressure, and the rest is the accuracy of the sensor.
But, i can also convert all that to display -14.xx psi to 58psi.
So when my datalog showed 43psi, it was 43psig ( gauge pressure, not absolute pressure). Absolute would be 57psi.
So again, AEM is a bit better in terms of user friendliness.

I know you do not car eabout what I say, but please go and ask somebody else that knows that.

George

You can, but it is not good. Do not forget, we had extremely low timing advance, and the AFR was 11.5.
We ran that the day before we were supposed to pull the engine.
After the engine was disassembled, the pistons did not have ANY detonation.


I posted the datalog, I think...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Toddevo 8
guys , lets not start a war, Big B tune big red and lets race. put up or shut up. how long does it take George call Limey and set the appt. and put that dam car on the dyno so you can tune it.if you cant find some one that will tune it for you. [/QUO

Another hater

Sorry for not being able to sell you parts under cost. We are in business to make profit, at least a bit. You got your deal on the cams, right?
We do most of our tuning on the street. Street tuning is the best. Nomatter what dyno you have, you cannot create the same conditions as teh street. Dyno Dynamics is the best dyno for that , though.

What is Limey's phone?

We already have retuned several cars done by other shops. AEM, E-manage, and Autronic.




George

Thanks for talking about the pressure, I just wanted to see if it was 28psi and really it does not matter. Shiv did say it was a IC lower pipe and I found the fix on here, but after 6 BOV's you wanted me to buy one to make 7? About Manuel's car will the stock injectors work? And about tuning the xede, I think Shiv is one of the better tuners out there, if someone from AEM was going to tune your car and they make it would you not want them tuning the car? If I go with a different system down the road I will have the best tuner tune the car. Hell Jeb is running a Autronic and his friend only has a turbo back a new clutch and a Autronic and ran a 12.2 again he is a good tuner. Lets cut the crap, you have tuned less then 5 AEM's and none on the dyno, you went to a 2 day class at AEM that does not make you a pro. Get ED at Balanced to help you, he is a PRO and does not have a AEM cert.

Ryan, in all fairness to George, he did not choose the injectors and he actually had some misgivings about them when I told them I had those RC 660s. He wanted to use Densos or some other brand...... Anyway, if the injectors are not the correct type for the car, it's not George's fault.

Part of the reason my car has taken longer to finish is because the tuning issues with the injectors, but also I've asked for more things to be done each time I've gone over there

The stock injectors would work in the car but not safely. I'm flowing a lot of air and making a lot of power. It would be dangerous to run lean under boost and do damage. George is going to install appropriate injectors and tune the car for them when they arrive. I'm not freaking out about this situation and I don't think anybody should do it either

I'm willing to let George finish the job with my car and we'll see if the path I've taken was wise or not. You told me yourself back when Al came to do the dynoflashes that I was being a cheap *** with my car and I'd get my motor blown, etc. I decided to talk with George and we discussed a path to upgrades. It's not cheap, but as you said, it's not a good idea to try to cut corners.

We've chosen to go with some fairly expensive and reputable equipment. Even the RC injectors are not "cheap", they were simply the wrong impedance for the car. I've gone with Greddy, HKS, AEM and other well known brands. I've upgraded the fuel delivery, intake, exhaust, complete IC with all piping, cams, gears and the EMS. Additionally, I've installed boost & egt gauges and a wide band UEGO display. The car does not use the MAS and even the boost solenoid has been upgraded.

That's a lot of mods to do and tune for. Also, these were done in a piece meal basis and not all at once. Perhaps that was a mistake, but that's in the past and now we can go forward. I think George at Boost Solutions is very knowledgeable and very willing to work with me. He's also been very good about taking care of my needs for a ride, etc.

I think that it's unfair to attack him and criticize him about things that are not fully known or understood. I don't think he deserves to get his business and reputation smeared. I think we should all wait to see final results before making negative judgements.

Peace,

Manuel

A street tune is the best for people that don't have a dyno. I bet no one that has a dyno does a street tune.


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Boost Solutions

Quote:
Originally posted by Toddevo 8
guys , lets not start a war, Big B tune big red and lets race. put up or shut up. how long does it take George call Limey and set the appt. and put that dam car on the dyno so you can tune it.if you cant find some one that will tune it for you. [/QUO

Another hater

Sorry for not being able to sell you parts under cost. We are in business to make profit, at least a bit. You got your deal on the cams, right?
We do most of our tuning on the street. Street tuning is the best. Nomatter what dyno you have, you cannot create the same conditions as teh street. Dyno Dynamics is the best dyno for that , though.

What is Limey's phone?

We already have retuned several cars done by other shops. AEM, E-manage, and Autronic.




George

Phone: 706 602 8881

Let me know when you are going, I want to see the AEM in action.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by Boost Solutions

Quote:
Originally posted by Toddevo 8
guys , lets not start a war, Big B tune big red and lets race. put up or shut up. how long does it take George call Limey and set the appt. and put that dam car on the dyno so you can tune it.if you cant find some one that will tune it for you. [/QUO

Another hater

Sorry for not being able to sell you parts under cost. We are in business to make profit, at least a bit. You got your deal on the cams, right?
We do most of our tuning on the street. Street tuning is the best. Nomatter what dyno you have, you cannot create the same conditions as teh street. Dyno Dynamics is the best dyno for that , though.

What is Limey's phone?

We already have retuned several cars done by other shops. AEM, E-manage, and Autronic.




George

Glad you calmed down

Let em explain ( although I just mentioned the reasons).

- Cold start need fuel to keep teh injectors flwoing
- warmup enrichment
- the valve overlap makes some unburnt ga sto escap ein teh exhaust. That make sthe car run rich.
- the highlift cams create that extra valve overlap : that means less driveability , rich running, and smoke, but above 3K, the car is SMOOTH...
- the head receive a race port job. That increase steh airflow BY A LOT. When I started the cat for the first time with the new engine, I ha dto add 10-15% fuel at idle. Then, after it warmed up, I stepped on the gas.

What happened? The car died because of the extra airflow. The O2 was over 17AFR. An that was just a little rev, not 100% throttle. We ha dto correct the whole map by 15-20% so the car can rev nicely.

Manuel: he has way too many mods for stock injectors. I mean, he has EVERYTHING except a bigger turbo.

Autronic is good, but as user friendly as AEM. I know that you are aware that Autronic and Motec are VERY similar. I have playe dwith Motec, and the only advantag ethat I see is the datalogging capability that it offers.

The standalone is as good as the tuner. Well, take SDS and Motec. I do not think you will get the same results with the same tuner.
Also, AEM

AEM least costly? Let see:
AEM EMS - 1685
MAP+ IAT - 210
GM Boost - 50


Total $1945, that is more than Autronic, Microtech, or Haltech...
Motec, of course, is always $$$. But that is because it is used by race teams, mainly because of its datalogging capabilities, and telemetry.

George

I do not mean to attack George, he just is all talk and NOTHING to back it up, Let me see a dyno or a 1/4 mile slip.

Ed at Balanced? Get real, I hav eto find time tp retune my Supra, from a year ago, when they di dteh final map. But the ECU is v.94, so I hav eyto upgrade the firmware as well...

We have had customers from NC, and KS drive for tuning. An dthey all are VERY happy. I am proud in the work that I do, and always take my time in doing teh job right. You know that,a nd you have told me that in person, but you just love talking smack online.

When I went to the AEM class, the only new things that I learned was the traction control, and advanced boost control.

Autronic and turboback. Well, let see, it is more like turboback, boost control, and engine management. Do not tell me he ran 12.2 on 16psi...

Road vs Dyno tune - the only advantage of TUNING on the dyno is NOT GETTING ANY SPEEDING TICKETS. THAT IS IT. The fans on the dyno cannot be compared to the airflow when you are going 150mph. There is no wind resistance on the dyno. The load that the dyno does on the engine is not the same as the load created by driving.
Dyno is good for numbers.

George

Ryan,

I think our car has seen the most mods in the shortest time.
Dyno and 1/4mile coming soon, VERY SOON...

George

Well, it's your prerogative to think that. However, these discussions have taken a nasty turn and I think that some of your posts were very critical of George's handling and tuning of my car...

Now, I know that you were showing your concern for a fellow EVO owner when you contacted me about the AEM EMS and George's experience and ability, but really, all the facts were not out and all the work is not finished. Until all is done and the final results are know, all these posts are going to hurt George's reputation and his business.

I'm not posting all kinds of complaints and histerics about my car to the whole forum. I think it's a shame to post about my car when I'm not even doing it. Trust me, if I was getting all freaked out about it, I'd be writing, crying and b!tch!ng for all to know. The fact is that when one goes about doing all these mods to a car, there are always going to be problems and issues. I'm prepared to deal with them and George is doing all he can to do a first class job.

I don't care if George ever takes his car to a dyno or to the race track. If that's the problem then you all can go ahead and fight all you want. As for my car, let's wait and see how it turns out. I'm willing to wait so why don't we all do it too?

Peace,

Manuel

I think Ed is one of the best in the state, oh well. Also you are right you can not tune for the road, get the MOTEC with remote tuning then you can drive the car around the track and tune if from the pits on the fly, been there done that.

Dyno time is set.

Closed doors.

George

Ed is good, but DO NOT MAKE me post my Supra map, please!

What you talking about is called telemetry

George