I'm tapping out as well.
Just say no to road tunes
Custom Dyno Tuned Programing for the Win

-James

 

Do u see a correlation here in relation to this thread. There is truth to what Shivladden originally posted. BTW The White Rabbit didn't do much better. So many parts are overhyped as a marketing ploy it is sinful. Shiv's purpose in this thread was to enlighten people and not to waste their hard earned money on unquantifiable road tooning and hyped up mods that give minimal enhanced performance at best. Look at Warrtalons car he has minimal mods and his car kicks azz.

 

What are you enleaning or enrichening it with? Via reflash or piggy-back?

shiv

 

+1. Custom road tune = flushing $$$ down the toilet. If that accelerometer crap really works that well, the few major dyno makers will be out of business! Get a after - before result to really know how much improvement is made.

 

damn!!!! i should send this to OPRA or Jerry springer it would be a freat show!!

 

I had a dynoflash ttm tune and it seemed to be a good product. very happy with the gains. paid the extra to have a road tune in slc. waste of money. the ttm flash was so close, that al did not have to adjust much of anything. he was done with 2 pulls of around 2 miles. could have done the entire process in less than 15 minutes if he would not have had to rip my center console apart for a non-working cig. lighter. al has a good product(although LOUSY in-car manners in person) and has shown some great tunes and great drag times.
I am moving to xede and think that shiv will have a good product as well, just different.

2 different tuners and 2 different results. I say let the consumer do the research and decide where to spend their dollars.....

 

Come on, Abner, that doesn't help. Custom road tunes are not a waste of money. They work wonderfully well on many, MANY Evos. Also, as I said before, not every Evo in the country has the time or resources to get dyno tuned. In fact, a very small percentage of them have this opportunity. When a car can be road tuned, then go right to the dyno and put up great numbers as well as spot-on AFRs/timing, then you know it works. This has been done time and time again. In this case, something was obviously wrong, so perhaps a custom road tune WASN'T helpful (we will never know for sure). That doesn't mean that all road tunes are useless. To state such is ignorance - along the lines of Jim Patterson's posts from earlier.

 

Warr,
Sponsored by:
DynoFlash
Say what ever you want!
Just ask all of us guys here in tucson arizona, with the 1 exception of you know who!

Warr, you are a really good driver. Why not let a better tuner tune your car and get better results?

 

I also think it is unfair to call all road tunes useless. But they are only as good as the tuner, his/her knowledge of the car, and his/her ability to properly analyze data. Some of which can be a bit muddled due to external variables that cannot be held constant. That's a lot to ask for, IMHO.

shiv

 

i paid $400 to have my AFR smooth out.....smooth yes fast NO! Or maybe Al just has problems with 91 gas? I got that crap off my car in a week. Those that kept it recently has their cars reflashed on a dyno, all MADE an average of 30hp/30tq over the road tune. Btw, all those that got EXCELLENT drivibility compared to the inferior stuff.

 

I don't know of a better tuner. How many people do you see running 12.2s on pump gas with stock cams, stock intake, stock IC, and stock piping on a mail-in flash? I'm not saying it hasn't or can't be done, but I certainly haven't seen many. I don't believe my tune is lacking. Luckily, though, I don't have any hatred or extreme bias that would cause me to call Shiv's tuning inferior or Turbotrix's or TopSpeed's, etc etc. I respect all of them, because I have seen good results from all of them. Al has plenty of cars running fast with his tunes, but you refuse to recognize them. I don't know why cars in your area didn't do well on Al's tunes, but a 30whp/30wtq difference with another flash tune just doesn't make any sense. You sometimes don't get that much power from tuning an untuned car, so what you're saying would be that Al's road tune is worse than no tune almost. That's just not feasible...

 

Don't be too sure of that conviction. We have seen many cars come through the shop from other tuners (not necessarily Al, for those who were about ready to tar and feather me in the town square) that make less power than stock. My old s4 was a great example of this.

 

"I don't know of a better tuner".........you will never with your present mindset! I dont care what other ppl run! I paid $400, i want my car to go fast! PERIOD! And it did not happen with dynoflash, end of story.

 

Just some observations from someone who doesn't frequent evom except to see what Vishnu is up to.

1. I had no idea who or what "tuner a" or "brand x" was till they chimed in and told me.
2. Shiv made some gains and the customer was happy. Shiv was proud of his work and wanted to brag.
3. This is the Vishnu vendor section of this site, so Shiv should be able to post and brag here.
4. Most of us here swing from Shiv's netheregions cause we have a car tuned by Vishnu and/or Vishnu parts.
5. Road tuning has its place and can be good. Back in the day before laptops were needed to tune, most of us tuned at the track or on the road. We ran on a 9.90 index and the car was never on a dyno. If I had a dyno as a resource, I would have used one though.
6. Dynos are great tools to use.

Bottom Line: This is Vishnu's forum and they should be allowed to brag here when they are proud of their work.

 

Individualized Through the Mail

Raise the rev limit over stock
Eliminate top speed limiter
Raise high boost fuel cut
Eliminate boost taper - keeps boost from falling off

What do I get in a Custom Flash?

Raise the rev limit over stock up to 10,000 RPM
Eliminate top speed limiter
Raise high boost fuel cut
Eliminate boost taper - keeps boost from falling off

You get what you pay for...