Case Study: Road "Tuning" vs Dyno Tuning (Merged)
Originally Posted by Event-Horizon
Why not post them here Al? Why get a third party involved? We've ask data from you several times that you have yet to provide. I think there are plenty of people here that can tell if anything was wrong with your tune. If you feel so strongly that nothing was wrong with the car, but was a mechnical issue, what is there to hide?
Obviously I am not interested in sharing both ecutek's propietary softwear and my propietary tuning methods with the general public for obvious reasons - just as I am sure that Shiv will not want to share his secret MIVEC maps with us also
I can trust that ecutek will review my tuning files in confidence and render an unbiased decision as to the question of if my tune was so grosly bad that it would result in 40 less tq than whp and such a poor result
I am done with this thread - carry on gentlemen - this is just a waste of my time
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Interesting you should ask that as I am going to tune an even higher one on the street today and then put it oin a dyno to test it just to deal with this type of inquiry
It should have plenty of power
It should have plenty of power
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Obviously I am not interested in sharing both ecutek's propietary softwear and my propietary tuning methods with the general public for obvious reasons - just as I am sure that Shiv will not want to share his secret MIVEC maps with us also
I can trust that ecutek will review my tuning files in confidence and render an unbiased decision as to the question of if my tune was so grosly bad that it would result in 40 less tq than whp and such a poor result
I am done with this thread - carry on gentlemen - this is just a waste of my time
I can trust that ecutek will review my tuning files in confidence and render an unbiased decision as to the question of if my tune was so grosly bad that it would result in 40 less tq than whp and such a poor result
I am done with this thread - carry on gentlemen - this is just a waste of my time
Originally Posted by meanmud
So you'll run a few baselines first (on a dyno of course) - then hit the streets - then return to the Dyno? 
In lieu of the "test" I have proposed I am instead forwarding all data to Ecutek who makes the equipment which is use by bothe shiv and I in this case and letting them review it and issue what ever conclusions they want to. It seems to me they are the most neutral party who can objectively make a decision.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
(An aside - I do not log rpms in a Evo IX at this point as I am having a harness built to do that function as I have on the Evo 8) You can tell it was a full pull by the seconds it took to go through 3rd gear which remains fairly constant from car to car with similar mods. The boost was not falling down significantly.
Originally Posted by Event-Horizon
You know why you wont do it? Cause you're scared the truth will come out. You're also a hypocrite. I've seen you post MIVEC maps on your other forums like this one: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...93&postcount=3 What is there to hide? Shiv makes his maps available on his website for free that anyone can look at. Do like you normally do, run away with questions left unanswered and you're tail between your legs. There are other misinformed people out there that you can enchant with your dribble.
Show me a link where shiv posts his tuned mivec calibrations
Originally Posted by Event-Horizon
You know why you wont do it? Cause you're scared the truth will come out. You're also a hypocrite. I've seen you post MIVEC maps on your other forums like this one: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...93&postcount=3 What is there to hide? Shiv makes his maps available on his website for free that anyone can look at. Do like you normally do, run away with questions left unanswered and you're tail between your legs. There are other misinformed people out there that you can enchant with your dribble.
As funny as this post is, can we please chill out with the insults so this thread doesnt get the boot again?
FYI Al, and in the spirit and Topic of this thread...
You shouldn't have to offer cheap dyno sessions to prove your road tuning works, you would need to fly around the country to all your road tune customers and time third gear pulls with a stopwatch. Whoever is fastest makes the most power, at least, that's what I gather from your posts....
BTW - If all the cars with the same mods stay consistent, and then one of the cars makes it to a dyno and puts down a low HP number, does that mean they're all consistently low on HP? You've said how the subject car of this thread had very consistent results with it's logs to other IX's you've road tuned...
- Steve
You shouldn't have to offer cheap dyno sessions to prove your road tuning works, you would need to fly around the country to all your road tune customers and time third gear pulls with a stopwatch. Whoever is fastest makes the most power, at least, that's what I gather from your posts....
Originally Posted by Dynoflash
(An aside - I do not log rpms in a Evo IX at this point as I am having a harness built to do that function as I have on the Evo 8) You can tell it was a full pull by the seconds it took to go through 3rd gear which remains fairly constant from car to car with similar mods.
- Steve
Originally Posted by jude
Who has been tuning the 4G63 the longest in the USA?
This isn't a knock on DB, it's a knock on your overly simplistic comment.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I am done with this thread - carry on gentlemen - this is just a waste of my time
Originally Posted by SuperHatch
FYI Al, and in the spirit and Topic of this thread...
You shouldn't have to offer cheap dyno sessions to prove your road tuning works, you would need to fly around the country to all your road tune customers and time third gear pulls with a stopwatch. Whoever is fastest makes the most power, at least, that's what I gather from your posts....
BTW - If all the cars with the same mods stay consistent, and then one of the cars makes it to a dyno and puts down a low HP number, does that mean they're all consistently low on HP? You've said how the subject car of this thread had very consistent results with it's logs to other IX's you've road tuned...
- Steve
You shouldn't have to offer cheap dyno sessions to prove your road tuning works, you would need to fly around the country to all your road tune customers and time third gear pulls with a stopwatch. Whoever is fastest makes the most power, at least, that's what I gather from your posts....
BTW - If all the cars with the same mods stay consistent, and then one of the cars makes it to a dyno and puts down a low HP number, does that mean they're all consistently low on HP? You've said how the subject car of this thread had very consistent results with it's logs to other IX's you've road tuned...
- Steve
I tuned 7 of the BR IX cars on awd dynos before I tuned this one
I have plenty of dyno data - for 8's and IX's
I am at a dyno shop now - as I am most every day tuning evos
I tune them on dynos and roads - the perfeomance and results are the same
Like I said above - its time to leave you all now to insult me (have fun) - get a life your all a really pathetic lot
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
What you Vishnu clowns fail to understand is that I do more Evo dyno tuning than any other tuner
I tuned 7 of the BR IX cars on awd dynos before I tuned this one
I have plenty of dyno data - for 8's and IX's
I am at a dyno shop now - as I am most every day tuning evos
I tune them on dynos and roads - the perfeomance and results are the same
Like I said above - its time to leave you all now to insult me (have fun) - get a life your all a really pathetic lot
I tuned 7 of the BR IX cars on awd dynos before I tuned this one
I have plenty of dyno data - for 8's and IX's
I am at a dyno shop now - as I am most every day tuning evos
I tune them on dynos and roads - the perfeomance and results are the same
Like I said above - its time to leave you all now to insult me (have fun) - get a life your all a really pathetic lot
Originally Posted by atlvalet
Not to give you a hard time Al, but haven't you said you're done with this thread a number of times?
But then I see today again just how narrow minded and hate filled most of you vishnuites are.
Its sad that Shiv would not just accept the challenge without another round of insults and attacks
Since the response to my proposal is more insults and attacks I am pulling the plug on you mis directed fools and turning the channel - trust me - I have other and better things to do with my short time here


