Do you believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy also ?

Wouldn't this tend to convince rational people that my theory about the car having a boost leak has some merrit?

Wouldn't it really be nice if Shiv's tuning could really make 30 - 40 more whp with less mods and lower boost ?

If that were the case then why are all the Shiv tuned cars so slow?

 

Ah yes... when you can't argue a point, you pull the name-calling card

Now Al, please leave this forum since you don't want to play by the rules.

shiv

 

This may be off topic but I agree 100% with you on this.. Im not saying I care if someone can spell but the fact that I base my "tuner" decision on more than just the ability to tune. I want to be able to trust my tuner. I want to be treated like a customer and not some punk or jerk that walk's in off the street. So all in all professionalism and abilty to tune are very important to me.

post 646.. I shouldnt have to say anymore.

 

Before Al leaves, I'd like to see his answers to these questions. This is *good*, and useful information!

What is more dangerous to a tune, more advance, or more boost/leaner AFR? Which makes more power, and at what expense?

Thanks.

 

Shiv, I'm confused. Are you insinuating that being very lean at high boost on low octane with low timing is the more conservative and safe tune? The only thing I know in this situation is that the method you choose is the exact reason why an S-AFC doesn't work too well on pump gas without upgraded injectors. With an SAFC, we lose a lot of low-end/mid-range torque from being lean at peak torque with weak timing. Going from an SAFC to a flash usually nets a 30+wtq jump right at peak boost/peak torque, because the AFRs are brought back to a less lean level with more timing. The difference in drivability is immense, and that gain holds all through the powerband.

Is it different when you flash cars to this same condition? Is your peak torque usually 10 higher than the peak HP or 10 lower?

I'm no professional tuner, but I wouldn't want those numbers (11.9:1/23psi/2*) on my car even on 93oct . I prefer (and make much more power) with ~11.5:1/22psi/8*. Are you saying that's unsafe compared to your version? I also don't understand the continual and progressive enrichment as the RPMs increase. Is that really necessary?

 

Ok Shiv - I will honor your request

Its better fior me anyway to stay out of here as I do not enjoy this one bit

Thanks to all

 

I don't know why you refer to 11.9:1 at 4000rpm being "very lean". Besides, I asked Al that question, not you or anyone else. He's still welcome to answer it before he leaves though...

Shiv

 

Sorry, I didn't know the rest of us weren't allowed to discuss it.

Does no one else consider 11.9:1 to be very lean on 91oct at 23psi? I am not asking as a rebuttal; I'm asking, because I'm very surprised that it would be considered otherwise. Asking for an education here...

 

A few have been OT when I was called out for spelling. If you look back at my posts (besides when called out with OT comments), they asked serious questions about loads that a car on the street encounters. Still road tuning has not been proven less accurate as the thread starter would like people to believe. Even Shiv said aerodynamics, tire, and wind drag, etc. have nothing to do with tuning. This is completely wrong unless we only run our cars to 50 mph and shut them down. Did you know most cars need more hp to push through the air @ 200 mph then actually needed to carry their own weight to that speed with no wind? So how are wind loads not important? I guess gears are not important as well. The cars run leaner in lower gears without detonation why? Because of the load on the motor is lower with better gearing to apply torque.

If I flamed any other time when not provoked about "Spelling" on a so called "Tuning" topic. Then I am truly sorry. I still dont see any relation between tuning and spelling though. As a matter of fact they could be a toothless illiterate and still tune a car better than someone else with a PHD in physics and engineering. Experience is the important thing in that subject I think.

From this point on I will refrain from posting off topic in this thead even if provoked to save others from having to read this mainly useless reply.

 

at 4000 rpm it's not too bad I suppose, really depends on the timing there. I wouldn't run my car 11.9:1 there but I run more timing than 2 degrees there. 11.3:1 with 6 degrees of timing.

 

Warr I always see you answering for al when he never attempts to is it cuz you think you know what he is going to say or is it to try to help him out? I dont know I have seen a ton of questions directed at him go unanswered but you always seem to chime in.

 

Instead of typing a whole tirade about how you are right and I am wrong, just slow down and try to understand what was said. We were talking about dyno tuning and how it relates to the real world. I said that not being able to replicate wind resistance is okay when it comes to tuning an engine. This is because an engine only cares about the following conditions:

1) Air quality
2) Air inlet temp temp
3) Manifold air Temp
4) Coolant Temp
5) Engine load

All of which can be controlled and adjusted in any decent dyno cell. The load induced effects of wind resistance (and gearing for that matter) can be duplicated by adjusting the ramp-up rate of the dyno pull. Make sense?

-shiv

 

As you can see, there is a battle/war/fight/tuner-battle/whatever between Shiv and Al. I am obviously in the Dynoflash/Buschur camp, but I'm attempting not to participate in the battle portion (already served my time in the Corps) while addressing some of the technical questions.

To answer your one question, no I am not speaking for Al. Yes, I try to be a good representative of Al (and Dave), so I guess you could say it's "to try to help him out."

 

Why should a loyal customer try to help out his tuner on tuning related questions? Let him answer man. I know your trying to help but it's really not helping in this situation.

thnx
shiv

 

Al, just admit that this car was a screw up. It happens from time to time. Get over it, move on, and learn from your mistakes. Your're right you've had plenty of good tunes out there that make up for this one, why all the fuss? I think we should just end this thread. People are just to hard-headed in their ways and anything that is said will not change their opinions.

Like I've seen on the internet before: Arguing on the internet is like running in the special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded.

I think that applies to all of us here.

Its time we all just step back and go our separate ways.