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Please check your PM's. Thanks.

 

Not to go off-topic, but I bet I could come back 10 years later and this thread would still be going.

 

The problem is already known by anyone who has looked at the evidence provided by both Gruppe-S and us.

Please look at the first graph provided where our tune is actually runnning less boost. This point is brought up regularly but you keep ignoring it. Saying this over and over again doesn't make it any less false.

Al- Your tunes are routinely leaner than mine above 5500rpm (see graph). So could I could say that you tune leaner than me? Which is it?

As for conservatively, where does the fact that you ran 3 more degrees of timing at 4000rpm come into play? Wait... I though you said that you tune more conservatively then me?



I thought your question was why the car was so detuned. And I already answered that. Perhaps you missed it.

-shiv

 

What makes you think having a degree makes you qualified to work on cars? The point everyone keeps making about your spelling is that if you can't be bothered to spell simple words correctly, then can you be bothered with the small details while tuning?

 

Yeah that makes alot of ... never mind. Maybe because he is soo busy tuning properly that he has no time to spell check himself. These statements have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING on Evom.... Get with the program. How many of these Great Spellers tune there own car anyway?

 

guys... please stop. And please stay on topic.

 

+1 Considering I work for a school District with everyone having at least a bachelor's most PHD's but I am still the tech they call for problems with the computer. So just cuz they have a PHD does it make them a better person to work on my car

 

No, it doesn't make him better or more qualified to work on a car, but I would only trust AL to work on my car. I think that there are great tuners out there and they all got degree to work on cars at least the good ones. Look both of these tuners are great and it's really up to the customer on who to choose. I like AL's tuning and I would never go to anyone else. Al's tune help me hit high 11s with very few modds. I could not imagine what I would do with more modds. So choose your tuner and stop the hate people.

AL Rules!!!! Al, I want to say Thank You again for the tune !!!!

 

1 - The same power was made at guppe s and your shop with my tune becuase the car had the same boost leak or other mechanical problem and was leaking off the same boost on both dynos


2 - Your tune was initally making less boost but it was not making a lot of power either

3 - If you want to see some examples of my tuning look at all the case studies I have posted - over 135 of them

You can not draw any conclusions from this one car as it was not mechaically sounbd

4 - This car ran 6 degress of timing at 4,000 rpms - I have the ecutek ignition maps to prove it - this means you were at 2 - interesting

 

Whats this thread about again?


pssspt.. road vs dyno tuning

Oh ya road vs dyno tuning. I thought for a min there we were trying out for a teaching possition at Yale.


Edit: Doh posted to late Al already threw us back on topic.

 

Most of your posts have been OT and have not contributed to anything except flaming. If he was so busy tuning all day he wouldn't have time to post on here all day.

Why should I trust my $30K car to someone who can't be bothered with minor details like spelling? When it comes to choosing a tuner a trust relationship must be built. I cannot and will not let someone who can't be bothered with spelling tune my car. What other minor details would be overlooked while tuning my car. Al may very well be the best tuner in the market, but there are other things I consider besides the tune when choosing someone to work on my car. These are questions of professionalism. I don't know Al and have personally never seen his work. Based on his posts I have enough information for me to make a personal decision. The topics of rudeness, ethics, and professionalism have been part of this thread since the beginning.

 

Fantastic. So here's a couple of questions for you. And would you please answering them.

1) If I logged it at 6 degrees of advance at WOT at 4000rpm and you logged it at 6 degrees of advance at WOT at 4000rpm, where does this mechanical problem theory come into play? As far as I can tell, you are not objecting to the AFR logs. And we both know that a boost leak would have profound effect on AFR and timing advance.

2) Could you explain to us why you feel that the following condition:

4000rpm
10.9:1 AFR
21psi
6 degrees of advance

is more conservative/safer than:

4000rpm
11.9:1
23psi
2 degrees of advance

3) What about that shootout that you challenged me to? I agreed to it. Why are you avoiding this subject?

Thank you,
shiv

 

Al, I think a car that has 30-40 more whp with less boosts is a significant difference.

 

If the author of this thread wanted to have a real informative and relevant discussion about road tuning vs dyno tuning then It was probably ill advised to start off the discussion with this assertion

Here is is implying a lot of very inflamatory and hostile remarks

"disingenuous partnerships" is obviuosly a direct jab at Buschur and myself as it was his parts on the car and my tuning and we work togther on a few projects

"disinegnuous partnerships" indeed

Obviously, with the "flame suit on" reference Shiv knew exactly what he was starting

At this point , I am certainly not going to convince any of his Vishnuite followers of anything - however - I want to be clear that Shiv's misleading and inaccurate comparison in this case has little basis in reality about how a normal BR Stage II Evo IX will run with my road tune in it