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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
Lets go back to basic guys, pure logical brain, how many of you are running MBC and actually made less power or felt slower?
How many of you installed HKS RS filter and made less power or felt slower? and last but not least, how many of you actually installed a Upper Intercooler pipe and haven't noticed any improvement?


C'mon, I am not a rocket engineer but this topic somehow does not make sense. there are a few things that indicates that perhaps a boost leak was present.
How can soemone explain that the stock parts are capable of making more power under same conditions?,

You see where I am coming from?
I see where you are comming from 100%

Its irrational and bizzare

It shows me that Shiv's advice on car mods is very rigid and he sees things in a very black and white kind of way - you have to do it the way I suggest or it wont work.

There is no reason why the customer's car could not have continued to run amazingly the way it did when i drove it 0- but as the workmanship on the install job was miserable there is no doubt in my mind that something came loose and a boost leak developed.

Main trust is without running the Buschur Set up at the same 23 peak boost like he did when testing his tune - then any comparision is totally meaningless.

I am just glad I remembered the car so clearly and have the dat log to verify hos wel the boost WAS holding.

It seems when nasty people want to attack you - the truth and reality dont stand in their way. Lucily I was not born yesterday and I know a bit about how cars work so its usually easy to expose the flaws in the reasonaing of these mental midgets.

I am going to sleep - will leave it for Mr. Buschur to respond tommorow
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:22 AM
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Al- If you're not going to respond to my simple questions, just go to sleep and rest up. I can't believe you stayed up until 6:30am

It's late. G'nite.

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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:36 AM
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Vishnu will always be on his high horse. Great manipulator. It's easier to smell bull**** when you've been around the modding block a few times.
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:38 AM
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Vishnu will always be on his high horse. Great manipulator. It's easier to smell bull**** when you've been around the modding block a few times.
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Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:41 AM
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its like my family here. the only difference is i just read it i dont here it.
JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! *clink* *smash* ( I threw the "virtual" chair" on this SPRINGER episode!) This is good entertainment.
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:44 AM
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JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! *clink* *smash* ( I threw the "virtual" chair" on this SPRINGER episode!) This is good entertainment.
*throws you a string of beads*
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:47 AM
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so you dident tell him. she says noi i dident. jerry says well lets bring out billy. billy says you f!@#ing b#$%h and then steve comes up and saves the day. till the next nut comes out anyway.
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 03:49 AM
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so you dident tell him. she says noi i dident. jerry says well lets bring out billy. billy says you f!@#ing b#$%h and then steve comes up and saves the day. till the next nut comes out anyway.
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 04:16 AM
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In all honesty, it doesn’t appear that the car had a boost leak upon arriving to Vishnu. I am really amazed at the differences in midrange power output between the two (road and dyno) tunes. Look at the midrange torque! Even the “Getting started Dyno tune is impressive.
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Doogie Howser
I think it should be noted that Shiv NOWHERE mentioned BR or Al from dynoflash, and I find it interesting how Al can somehow contort the situation in claiming that Shiv said the BR parts are ill, don't perform, etc.
How can anyone read this and not think that it was a direct attack from one vendor to another from the very beginning. Anyone who follows the vendor debates on evoM or knows that Dynoflash was making a socal trip would realize that this was a direct attempt to bash another vendor and hurt thier crediblity. You have to be kidding me.
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 05:05 AM
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Every single person I have talked to from the Seattle Dynoflash Tune has been aboslutely amazed with the performance of their custom tune. When I first started looking into tuning for my evo, the only name that came up to avoid was Vishnu. This was after talking to mutliple tuners, shop owners, and mechanics in the area. They had all dealt with it first hand. I'll let those people chime in on the specifics of thier poor experiences. I don't want to try to talk for someone else but come on people. It is a shame that the truth can't be told on evoM due to the political BS that goes on in this forum.
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 05:20 AM
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Screw an Evo vs WRX shootout. I would love to see a vendor shootout. How about a Buschur racing vs Vishnu day. Take different cars with similar mods and see which vendor can really back up their claims. What I dont understand is why some vendors find it necessary to bash other vendors to make themselves look better. It's usually the same ones every time. Why not just let your parts speak for themselves? The unethical, ****-poor business that goes on between vendors on this forum amazes me. How long does this have to go on. There are more than enough Evo's out there for different tuners to coexist.

+1 for ANY VENDOR who contributes the the continued persuit of evo excellence without stepping on others to do so. I personally cant speak for buschur racing parts, as I do not have any of them on my car. David Buschur has ALWAYS been helpful is responding to questions even regarding other peoples parts. How can anyone try to slander someone like Al who is so dedicated to the evo community. The man truely loves the car and will do anything to provide the best possible experience with his Dynoflash tune. I've seen it first hand.

Life is about how you treat other people and how you conduct yourself. Al, Dynoflash has my support. Thanks for the great business. You have plenty of support OUT WEST.
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 06:25 AM
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Whoevers car this whole thread is about could you pm me, I would like to buy the upper ic pipe that you removed.
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 06:33 AM
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I hope this thread stay open, and does not get molested by mods in any way.... this forum isn't sponsored by Buschur, or anyone else, so it should be left alone.
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 06:38 AM
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I was sent here to read this....of course.

I have a bunch of opinions and stuff to say about Shiv, honestly I am getting sick of the argueing (and I like to argue) so I will leave my opinions of why Shiv does things the way he does out of this.

I will also not go on and on about how many fast Stage 4 cars there are. How the fastest stock turbo'd EVO's to date ran our Stage 4 kits, I'll leave that stuff out of it.

Since according to Shiv other dyno operators/shop owners are dishonest and manipulate their dyno numbers to prove their parts work I also won't talk about how every single Staged upgrade we offer makes more power than stock parts do back to back on the dyno. I also won't say how if they didn't improve power I wouldn't waste my time making or selling them. If I said any of this I'd be called a liar/manipulator by Shiv anyway.

What I will say is Shiv, you are one of most manipulating underhanded people I have ever met. You must be joking me coming on EvolutionM and playing this rediculous game of comparing a car with 21 psi of boost against the same car with 4-5 psi less boost. Do you truly think anyone other than your loyal followers are going to believe that crap. You want to talk about truth and fair comparisons, give me a break.

The mid range power would be COMPLETELY killed by a boost leak as that is where a boost leak shows up the most.

You being the "genius" you claim to be when it comes to tuning also knows that the AFR's will be completely out of line with the stock ECU if it was tuned at 21 psi and then the boost was lowered to a lower psi and not tuned there too. Tell the entire story, not the half you need to try to tell to keep the few customers you have.

Also, the line that AL uses to "t" into for his GM 3 bar map sensor at the INTAKE manifold is the same hose that runs to the compressor bypass valve. So you are trying to tell all these fine people here that that same line lost 4-5 psi of boost in 18 "?!

You should be banned.

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