updated wrx... what does this mean for the ralliart
Why so defensive?
I think these are some great and amazing numbers, as well as results. No, it probably wouldn't touch an evo on a road course. But I bet it'd come close. (That's what they mean when they say knocking).
0-60 4.7 seconds, 13.5 @ 102??
The guy in the vid also posted good wheel torque numbers, regardless of the dyno. Those are great numbers for the price. I don't get why you react like that
Those numbers are definitely knocking on evo numbers, as well as STI numbers. Go to a road course and you'll see the "true" results? What kind of comment is that? Are you trying to "put the wrx in it's place"? Maybe that's the difference between a car enthusiast and an evo enthusiast
I bet if Evo owners lashed out against Mitsubishi the way Subaru people and the entire internet community did we'd have slightly different cars. If the people say the performance is fine the producer won't change it. If they say the quality is fine the producer won't change it. I think that's pretty basic.
Subaru did a great job re-releasing this car. Sucks a little for the guys who now technically have Subaru 2.5gt's or whatever it's called now.
This little wrx posted numbers as fast/faster than most evo's and sti's stock! I can't be sure, but this has to force both their hands into pumping more speed into their flagship cars, doesn't it?
I think these are some great and amazing numbers, as well as results. No, it probably wouldn't touch an evo on a road course. But I bet it'd come close. (That's what they mean when they say knocking).
0-60 4.7 seconds, 13.5 @ 102??
The guy in the vid also posted good wheel torque numbers, regardless of the dyno. Those are great numbers for the price. I don't get why you react like that
Those numbers are definitely knocking on evo numbers, as well as STI numbers. Go to a road course and you'll see the "true" results? What kind of comment is that? Are you trying to "put the wrx in it's place"? Maybe that's the difference between a car enthusiast and an evo enthusiast
I bet if Evo owners lashed out against Mitsubishi the way Subaru people and the entire internet community did we'd have slightly different cars. If the people say the performance is fine the producer won't change it. If they say the quality is fine the producer won't change it. I think that's pretty basic.
Subaru did a great job re-releasing this car. Sucks a little for the guys who now technically have Subaru 2.5gt's or whatever it's called now.
This little wrx posted numbers as fast/faster than most evo's and sti's stock! I can't be sure, but this has to force both their hands into pumping more speed into their flagship cars, doesn't it?
Right on BRO. Well said.
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^ Well I won't go as far as saying that, but the first batch of bug eyes in '01 were a nightmare.
I experienced a blown engine and the worst customer service ever. Took them 6 months to fix it. But that doesn't mean I would never buy a Scooby again.
I experienced a blown engine and the worst customer service ever. Took them 6 months to fix it. But that doesn't mean I would never buy a Scooby again.
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Well I haven't heard of one 4B11 failure yet but it appears that Subaru is still having major issues with the 2.5L turbo engine as 09's are failing;
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...67589&page=121
I would be weary of buying one of these cars until they get the issues straightened out as even a handful is way too much failures for new engines as even fringe automakers don't have this many DOA engines. Funny thing is that if that was happening to the 4B11, EVO/Ralliart owners would never hear the end of the 'Mitsubishi junk' 'typical Mitsubishi' stuff but the Subaru community tends to keep it as quiet as possible while making nonstop fun of a couple broken pedals.
Well I haven't heard of one 4B11 failure yet but it appears that Subaru is still having major issues with the 2.5L turbo engine as 09's are failing;
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...67589&page=121
I would be weary of buying one of these cars until they get the issues straightened out as even a handful is way too much failures for new engines as even fringe automakers don't have this many DOA engines. Funny thing is that if that was happening to the 4B11, EVO/Ralliart owners would never hear the end of the 'Mitsubishi junk' 'typical Mitsubishi' stuff but the Subaru community tends to keep it as quiet as possible while making nonstop fun of a couple broken pedals.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...67589&page=121
I would be weary of buying one of these cars until they get the issues straightened out as even a handful is way too much failures for new engines as even fringe automakers don't have this many DOA engines. Funny thing is that if that was happening to the 4B11, EVO/Ralliart owners would never hear the end of the 'Mitsubishi junk' 'typical Mitsubishi' stuff but the Subaru community tends to keep it as quiet as possible while making nonstop fun of a couple broken pedals.
I find it absolutely hilarious how you accuse Subaru owners of doing the very thing you are doing. You are aware that Mitsubishi got in trouble recently for hiding recall issues?
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[QUOTE=ambystom01;6293178]Actually there are issues with the 4B11, a lot of owners are requiring retunes because the car is running horribly rich. The same basic issue is plaguing Subaru because of the compromises that come between performance and emission standards. There is also the major issue of people not breaking the engines in correctly, some people think it's appropriate to go WOT on an engine that has 0 miles on it.
I find it absolutely hilarious how you accuse Subaru owners of doing the very thing you are doing. QUOTE]
Yes the 4B11 has some tuning issues but we are talking engine failures with Subaru's due to issues with bearings. Big difference. One can be corrected by a simple flash. The other gets corrected by a new or rebuilt engine.
Welcome to five years ago.
I find it absolutely hilarious how you accuse Subaru owners of doing the very thing you are doing. QUOTE]
Yes the 4B11 has some tuning issues but we are talking engine failures with Subaru's due to issues with bearings. Big difference. One can be corrected by a simple flash. The other gets corrected by a new or rebuilt engine.
A few engines have failed, Mitsubishi is not without it's own faults and I suspect there are failed Evo engines as well (4G63 and 4B11).
A coverup is a coverup, doesn't matter if it was 5 years ago. I wasn't aware that 5 years was the official "no longer applicable" time. The coverup has also been linked to at least one death, something that can't be said of Subaru's admitted recalls.
A coverup is a coverup, doesn't matter if it was 5 years ago. I wasn't aware that 5 years was the official "no longer applicable" time. The coverup has also been linked to at least one death, something that can't be said of Subaru's admitted recalls.
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A few engines have failed, Mitsubishi is not without it's own faults and I suspect there are failed Evo engines as well (4G63 and 4B11).
A coverup is a coverup, doesn't matter if it was 5 years ago. I wasn't aware that 5 years was the official "no longer applicable" time. The coverup has also been linked to at least one death, something that can't be said of Subaru's admitted recalls.
A coverup is a coverup, doesn't matter if it was 5 years ago. I wasn't aware that 5 years was the official "no longer applicable" time. The coverup has also been linked to at least one death, something that can't be said of Subaru's admitted recalls.
What's that got to do with the fact that Subaru is shipping 2009 WRX's (and other Subaru's) with bad engines? After having a recall and two stop sells on 2008 2.5L turbo cars you think they could get it right for the 2009's but that apparently isn't the case. This thread is about the updated WRX and what it means to the Ralliart not about an old story about Mitsubishi Japan.
Exactly, this thread is about the WRX and how it compares to the Ralliart, what do a few engine issues (that seem to be limited to very few people) have to do with the fact that the new WRX absolutely destroys the Ralliart as far as performance goes? You're naive if you think the Ralliart won't have issues as well.
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The thread you linked to seems to refer to only a handful of problem engines, less than a dozen. As far as we know, those engines failed because of abuse. I'm not saying they definitely did but it's certainly an option. It appears that the problem wasn't the engine persay but a new manufacturing process (that they've obviously stopped using).
Exactly, this thread is about the WRX and how it compares to the Ralliart, what do a few engine issues (that seem to be limited to very few people) have to do with the fact that the new WRX absolutely destroys the Ralliart as far as performance goes? You're naive if you think the Ralliart won't have issues as well.
Exactly, this thread is about the WRX and how it compares to the Ralliart, what do a few engine issues (that seem to be limited to very few people) have to do with the fact that the new WRX absolutely destroys the Ralliart as far as performance goes? You're naive if you think the Ralliart won't have issues as well.
Sigh. You're impossible.
When there are recalls and stop-sells it's not an isolated case. So you are saying Subaru drivers have a higher percentage of break-in incompetence compared to drivers of other vehicles because I can't recall a widespread issue like this since the VW/Audi oil sludge problem? Nobody here or the EVO X column is posting that their bearings failed so maybe they are better drivers? It's also curious that they stopped the 'new' manufacturing process yet 09's which haven't been out for long are failing and failing very quickly off the showroom floor.Come on man. Even through your Subaru colored glasses you have to be asking yourself what's up?
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Sigh. You're impossible. When there are recalls and stop-sells it's not an isolated case. So you are saying Subaru drivers have a higher percentage of break-in incompetence compared to drivers of other vehicles because I can't recall a widespread issue like this since the VW/Audi oil sludge problem? Nobody here or the EVO X column is posting that their bearings failed so maybe they are better drivers? It's also curious that they stopped the 'new' manufacturing process yet 09's which haven't been out for long are failing and failing very quickly off the showroom floor.
Come on man. Even through your Subaru colored glasses you have to be asking yourself what's up?
When there are recalls and stop-sells it's not an isolated case. So you are saying Subaru drivers have a higher percentage of break-in incompetence compared to drivers of other vehicles because I can't recall a widespread issue like this since the VW/Audi oil sludge problem? Nobody here or the EVO X column is posting that their bearings failed so maybe they are better drivers? It's also curious that they stopped the 'new' manufacturing process yet 09's which haven't been out for long are failing and failing very quickly off the showroom floor.Come on man. Even through your Subaru colored glasses you have to be asking yourself what's up?
NASIOC is a far larger forum that EvoM, it's probably one of the largest car forums online right now. Naturally this means you will see more reports of problems.
I agree that something is going on and Subaru needs to fix it but I don't see how that A. is relevant to the comparison or B. automatically puts Mitsubishi ahead. Mitsubishi has had problems in the past and continues to do so. As an obvious example, people are reporting their TC-SST transmissions overheating with 15 minutes of track use.
Let's be clear here:
'Mitsubishi Motors' was NOT involved in a recall cover-up resulting in death. That would be FUSO trucks, an entirely separate company and a subsidiary of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.
Mitsubishi also had issues with their 4G63 back in the mid-nineties, due to crank-walk caused after switching from a 6 bolt main to a 4 bolt main crank. Since then Mitsubishi goes out of there way to make their hardware very strong and durable (sometimes a little too much if you REALLY look into how they construct their latest chassis designs).
I'm not here to knock around Subaru either way. I know back in the '90's they build some durable (some might say agricultural) products. I'm just trying to help clear up some misconceptions on the part of this forums moderator. I 'think' he likes Mitsu. products? I mean he is moderating on a Mitsu. website, yes?
'Mitsubishi Motors' was NOT involved in a recall cover-up resulting in death. That would be FUSO trucks, an entirely separate company and a subsidiary of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.
Mitsubishi also had issues with their 4G63 back in the mid-nineties, due to crank-walk caused after switching from a 6 bolt main to a 4 bolt main crank. Since then Mitsubishi goes out of there way to make their hardware very strong and durable (sometimes a little too much if you REALLY look into how they construct their latest chassis designs).
I'm not here to knock around Subaru either way. I know back in the '90's they build some durable (some might say agricultural) products. I'm just trying to help clear up some misconceptions on the part of this forums moderator. I 'think' he likes Mitsu. products? I mean he is moderating on a Mitsu. website, yes?
Let's be clear here:
'Mitsubishi Motors' was NOT involved in a recall cover-up resulting in death. That would be FUSO trucks, an entirely separate company and a subsidiary of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.
Mitsubishi also had issues with their 4G63 back in the mid-nineties, due to crank-walk caused after switching from a 6 bolt main to a 4 bolt main crank. Since then Mitsubishi goes out of there way to make their hardware very strong and durable (sometimes a little too much if you REALLY look into how they construct their latest chassis designs).
I'm not here to knock around Subaru either way. I know back in the '90's they build some durable (some might say agricultural) products. I'm just trying to help clear up some misconceptions on the part of this forums moderator. I 'think' he likes Mitsu. products? I mean he is moderating on a Mitsu. website, yes?
'Mitsubishi Motors' was NOT involved in a recall cover-up resulting in death. That would be FUSO trucks, an entirely separate company and a subsidiary of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.
Mitsubishi also had issues with their 4G63 back in the mid-nineties, due to crank-walk caused after switching from a 6 bolt main to a 4 bolt main crank. Since then Mitsubishi goes out of there way to make their hardware very strong and durable (sometimes a little too much if you REALLY look into how they construct their latest chassis designs).
I'm not here to knock around Subaru either way. I know back in the '90's they build some durable (some might say agricultural) products. I'm just trying to help clear up some misconceptions on the part of this forums moderator. I 'think' he likes Mitsu. products? I mean he is moderating on a Mitsu. website, yes?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A9669C8B63
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...203561764.html