updated wrx... what does this mean for the ralliart
Why didn't they introduce it for the high end cars? Also, why didn't Mitsubishi see fit to equip the FQ-360 with the TC-SST transmission? I find illogical how people can argue that the TC-SST is the way of the future for cars when they're so new that even the people who make them don't trust them. They're a cool technology but they're not superior.
2. Its not just a cool technology but they WILL be superior when all the bugs are ironed out.
3. FQ series ain't Mitsubishi. They are only a british only local add on. They are no more than a tuner shop that you have in U.S or Australia, where their main aim's to make money. And the easiest for them, is to first work on something which has been around for ages.....which is manual. But this doesn't determines the good or bad of the SST.
Why didn't they introduce it for the high end cars? Also, why didn't Mitsubishi see fit to equip the FQ-360 with the TC-SST transmission? I find illogical how people can argue that the TC-SST is the way of the future for cars when they're so new that even the people who make them don't trust them. They're a cool technology but they're not superior.
From wikipedia:
Twin Clutch SST (Sport Shift Transmission or Sportronic Shift Transmission) is the brand name of a 6 speed twin-clutch transmission developed by Mitsubishi Motors. The system was first incorporated in the 2007 Lancer Evolution X.[1][2]
TC-SST, Mitsubishi's first-ever automated manual transmission, uses dual clutches to change gears. The TC-SST shifts more quickly than a driver could in a pure manual transmission. It is also much quicker than either an automatic transmission with a torque converter or a single clutch automated manual transmission. The system's high-efficiency power transmission mechanism is on par with a normal manual gearbox, while allowing quicker gear shifting with no drop-off in engine power, thus offering greater performance and better fuel economy. The system can be operated by both a console-mounted shifter and magnesium steering wheel paddle shifters and offers manual and fully automatic modes.[1][2]
TC-SST also works in conjunction with Mitsubishi's S-AWC system.
The structure of TC-SST is less complex than that of a conventional automatic transmission because it uses clutches instead of a torque converter to transmit power. The key to the system's operation is in the advanced and precise electronic and hydraulic controls. TC-SST can select two gears at the same time by putting odd (1st, 3rd, 5th) and even (2nd, 4th and 6th) gears on separate input shafts, each connected to an individual clutch. While one gear is engaged by one of the two electro-hydraulically operated wet multi-plate clutches, the other is pre-selected, awaiting to be engaged by the second wet multi-plate clutch. The TC-SST, in principal, behaves like two three-speed manual transmissions operating on the same output shaft. With both clutches under precise system control, the gear change is made when the clutches are "swapped" simultaneously, allowing extremely fast, smooth and lag-free gear changes with no interruption in power delivery.[1][2]
The odd and even gear shafts are linked via a transfer gear, resulting in a shorter overall transmission length. The transmission ECU, sensors and solenoids are all housed within the transmission valve body. The TC-SST is equipped with a transmission oil cooler and uses automatic transmission fluid (ATF).[2]
Twin Clutch SST (Sport Shift Transmission or Sportronic Shift Transmission) is the brand name of a 6 speed twin-clutch transmission developed by Mitsubishi Motors. The system was first incorporated in the 2007 Lancer Evolution X.[1][2]
TC-SST, Mitsubishi's first-ever automated manual transmission, uses dual clutches to change gears. The TC-SST shifts more quickly than a driver could in a pure manual transmission. It is also much quicker than either an automatic transmission with a torque converter or a single clutch automated manual transmission. The system's high-efficiency power transmission mechanism is on par with a normal manual gearbox, while allowing quicker gear shifting with no drop-off in engine power, thus offering greater performance and better fuel economy. The system can be operated by both a console-mounted shifter and magnesium steering wheel paddle shifters and offers manual and fully automatic modes.[1][2]
TC-SST also works in conjunction with Mitsubishi's S-AWC system.
The structure of TC-SST is less complex than that of a conventional automatic transmission because it uses clutches instead of a torque converter to transmit power. The key to the system's operation is in the advanced and precise electronic and hydraulic controls. TC-SST can select two gears at the same time by putting odd (1st, 3rd, 5th) and even (2nd, 4th and 6th) gears on separate input shafts, each connected to an individual clutch. While one gear is engaged by one of the two electro-hydraulically operated wet multi-plate clutches, the other is pre-selected, awaiting to be engaged by the second wet multi-plate clutch. The TC-SST, in principal, behaves like two three-speed manual transmissions operating on the same output shaft. With both clutches under precise system control, the gear change is made when the clutches are "swapped" simultaneously, allowing extremely fast, smooth and lag-free gear changes with no interruption in power delivery.[1][2]
The odd and even gear shafts are linked via a transfer gear, resulting in a shorter overall transmission length. The transmission ECU, sensors and solenoids are all housed within the transmission valve body. The TC-SST is equipped with a transmission oil cooler and uses automatic transmission fluid (ATF).[2]
Edit: I just went back through my post...how was I defending the Ralliart all the way? I already said the wrx was the better performer. I just saidi ts not attractive and I would rather have a car that looks better and performs almost as well.
Last edited by slim8605; Oct 9, 2008 at 06:14 AM.
I'm not trying to defend the ralliart. I think the wrx is the better performance car. I just don't like how it looks. The reason I didn't get the Ralliart when I got the GTS is because...The Ralliarts weren't around yet lol. I only had a 20k budget with this car and I got the GTS for 19k.
Hence I bought something else since I need another car so badly. I guess we are on the same shoes hehe. 19k is a good deal buddy!1. The way of the future = its in the future. Hence, its in test phase and not been used everywhere.
2. Its not just a cool technology but they WILL be superior when all the bugs are ironed out.
3. FQ series ain't Mitsubishi. They are only a british only local add on. They are no more than a tuner shop that you have in U.S or Australia, where their main aim's to make money. And the easiest for them, is to first work on something which has been around for ages.....which is manual. But this doesn't determines the good or bad of the SST.
2. Its not just a cool technology but they WILL be superior when all the bugs are ironed out.
3. FQ series ain't Mitsubishi. They are only a british only local add on. They are no more than a tuner shop that you have in U.S or Australia, where their main aim's to make money. And the easiest for them, is to first work on something which has been around for ages.....which is manual. But this doesn't determines the good or bad of the SST.
2. Why is a TC-SST transmission superior? Can it hold more power? Can it shift smoother? Is it more reliable?
3. The FQ series is Mitsubishi to an extent. Why doesn't Mitsubishi recommend the TC-SST for their most powerful cars? Why are the fastest cars around the ring still traditional manuals?
People can claim all they want that the TC-SST is superior but as I said before, there is no evidence to support this. It's a cool technology but it's still in its infancy and too declare it the best now is just silly.
From wikipedia:
Twin Clutch SST (Sport Shift Transmission or Sportronic Shift Transmission) is the brand name of a 6 speed twin-clutch transmission developed by Mitsubishi Motors. The system was first incorporated in the 2007 Lancer Evolution X.[1][2]
TC-SST, Mitsubishi's first-ever automated manual transmission, uses dual clutches to change gears. The TC-SST shifts more quickly than a driver could in a pure manual transmission. It is also much quicker than either an automatic transmission with a torque converter or a single clutch automated manual transmission. The system's high-efficiency power transmission mechanism is on par with a normal manual gearbox, while allowing quicker gear shifting with no drop-off in engine power, thus offering greater performance and better fuel economy. The system can be operated by both a console-mounted shifter and magnesium steering wheel paddle shifters and offers manual and fully automatic modes.[1][2]
TC-SST also works in conjunction with Mitsubishi's S-AWC system.
The structure of TC-SST is less complex than that of a conventional automatic transmission because it uses clutches instead of a torque converter to transmit power. The key to the system's operation is in the advanced and precise electronic and hydraulic controls. TC-SST can select two gears at the same time by putting odd (1st, 3rd, 5th) and even (2nd, 4th and 6th) gears on separate input shafts, each connected to an individual clutch. While one gear is engaged by one of the two electro-hydraulically operated wet multi-plate clutches, the other is pre-selected, awaiting to be engaged by the second wet multi-plate clutch. The TC-SST, in principal, behaves like two three-speed manual transmissions operating on the same output shaft. With both clutches under precise system control, the gear change is made when the clutches are "swapped" simultaneously, allowing extremely fast, smooth and lag-free gear changes with no interruption in power delivery.[1][2]
The odd and even gear shafts are linked via a transfer gear, resulting in a shorter overall transmission length. The transmission ECU, sensors and solenoids are all housed within the transmission valve body. The TC-SST is equipped with a transmission oil cooler and uses automatic transmission fluid (ATF).[2]
Twin Clutch SST (Sport Shift Transmission or Sportronic Shift Transmission) is the brand name of a 6 speed twin-clutch transmission developed by Mitsubishi Motors. The system was first incorporated in the 2007 Lancer Evolution X.[1][2]
TC-SST, Mitsubishi's first-ever automated manual transmission, uses dual clutches to change gears. The TC-SST shifts more quickly than a driver could in a pure manual transmission. It is also much quicker than either an automatic transmission with a torque converter or a single clutch automated manual transmission. The system's high-efficiency power transmission mechanism is on par with a normal manual gearbox, while allowing quicker gear shifting with no drop-off in engine power, thus offering greater performance and better fuel economy. The system can be operated by both a console-mounted shifter and magnesium steering wheel paddle shifters and offers manual and fully automatic modes.[1][2]
TC-SST also works in conjunction with Mitsubishi's S-AWC system.
The structure of TC-SST is less complex than that of a conventional automatic transmission because it uses clutches instead of a torque converter to transmit power. The key to the system's operation is in the advanced and precise electronic and hydraulic controls. TC-SST can select two gears at the same time by putting odd (1st, 3rd, 5th) and even (2nd, 4th and 6th) gears on separate input shafts, each connected to an individual clutch. While one gear is engaged by one of the two electro-hydraulically operated wet multi-plate clutches, the other is pre-selected, awaiting to be engaged by the second wet multi-plate clutch. The TC-SST, in principal, behaves like two three-speed manual transmissions operating on the same output shaft. With both clutches under precise system control, the gear change is made when the clutches are "swapped" simultaneously, allowing extremely fast, smooth and lag-free gear changes with no interruption in power delivery.[1][2]
The odd and even gear shafts are linked via a transfer gear, resulting in a shorter overall transmission length. The transmission ECU, sensors and solenoids are all housed within the transmission valve body. The TC-SST is equipped with a transmission oil cooler and uses automatic transmission fluid (ATF).[2]
The Ralliart has a revised suspension as well. Moreover, why is it Subaru's fault that Mitsubishi made the Ralliart too soft? That's a poor excuse really and something that you know wouldn't apply if the shoe was on the other foot (ie. if the Ralliart beat the WRX and people said it's unfair to compare the two).
The Ralliart has a revised suspension as well. Moreover, why is it Subaru's fault that Mitsubishi made the Ralliart too soft? That's a poor excuse really and something that you know wouldn't apply if the shoe was on the other foot (ie. if the Ralliart beat the WRX and people said it's unfair to compare the two).
So by saying this you mean the WRX will spank the STi then too right? Considering the Evo beats the STi.
I think we need to give both cars a few more weeks for people to buy and experience them. Its still way to early for both wrx 09 and ralliart 09 to reach the consumer side. I'm sure after few weeks or months, R/T, Motortrend, autoblog and other magazine and reviewers would have a more detailed comparison between those 2 models side by side.



. I'm curious, since you liked the Ralliart so much and had defended all the way. Why didn't you buy it? Why did you buy the GTS instead? 