This is from the Tuning Tech thread

 

So the WRX comes with slightly tweaked Impreza suspension?

 

I'll keep saying it: The 2.5 GT is direct competition with the RA. Not the WRX. People who want a manual transmission will not buy an RA. It's pretty simple. The fact that there are people out there who loath automatic transmissions in their "performance daily driver" is reason enough to not compare the two.

We can go around and around with it, but logic and reason prevails, here. The GTI offers both auto and manual versions, and there are people who buy the inferior manual because they would never cop to owning an automatic in a "sporty" car. When Mitsubishi sits down at the end of the quarter and looks at their numbers, they are going to have to realize that they could have sold more RA's if they had offered a manual version. But we already know the answer as to why they didn't offer the RA in manual form from the git...G-S-R.

 

You are trying to make it sound like the Ralliart is a slow boat or something based on one comparison so far. How can you call a car that accelerates faster than probably 80% of cars on the road bad? Your own 2007 WRX stock is no faster in a straight line than a Ralliart so I guess you know all about bad acceleration lol.

 

mitsu does have a reponse its called lancer ralliart, 4wd turbo

 

This is not a normal automatic transmission, and does not shift as such. I dont know why people keep thinking its just another slushbox with paddle shifters.

 

Hence Ferrari, Porsche and Lambo all on the same page. If guys are spending 100-300k for a car, I think performance talks and BS walks. They would not build them if people did not buy them. They must be better or they would not sell. Manual is inferior in speed, maybe not in fun. Stick lovers just don;t get it. Do not lose any sleep over it. You won;t win the argument over the haters.

 

well about the many times mentioned, as an example , the bullet proof GT-R transmission:
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"I was driving my gtr two weeks ago and I heard a loud noise coming from the rear. I turned immediately had my gtr towed to crown nissan st. petersburg fl. They didn't touch my car only called some techs from tennessee to look at the car and record the noise, 4 days later two guys from japan to download some info from the car then left. Then I get a call from the dealer to tell me the news, and they told me that the car was driven without vdc too much and nissan will not warranty the transmission which they said was destroyed, I asked them how much to fix it they told me 20k, no freaking way I will pay 20k on top of what i just paid for the car. I called the gtr number and also talked to nissan consumer affairs got nowhere, now the car is sitting at the dealer. I know we shouldn't launch the car but why own it if you cant use this function, don't sell a car that goes 0-60 in 3.4 sec if the only way you can achieve this speed is to void the warranty , false advertising. Here is the bad news people were fearing it has happened to me and Nissan has told me there are already three people in my shoes, if you are one of these people email me, we have got to get together on this. Just think if any of you guys have taken the vdc off just a few times you have already voided your warranty, good luck what a joke nissan."

 

Mitsubishi told Inside Line that a five- or six-speed manual is in the works for the U.S.-market Ralliart in the States, although it could be expected to cost as much as the vehicle with the twin clutch with all the work necessary to reprogram and manipulate the vehicle.

 

The WRX comes with substantially stiffer suspension, I believe they stiffened the springs and struts by something like 43%.

 

Just because Mitsubishi didn't produce a manual Ralliart doesn't mean the comparison shouldn't stand. As I said before, the GT isn't meant to a performance car, the Ralliart is.

 

I'm basing my statement on the reviews that have appeared for the Ralliart, both from magazines and from other members. It seems that a common theme is that the Ralliart just plain and simply doesn't feel fast. I agree with you that it's not slow but it's not fast either, it's simply quick. It's pretty comparable to the Honda Accord V6, the Toyota Camry V6, and other sleeper sedans. What I own is irrelevant, you own an MR2 so should we instantly start talking about the MR2? Moreover my car isn't staying stock that long and I actually race my car at the track so I do have some experience in that sense (in terms of what it excels at and what it lacks). It should also be noted that my car came stock with all-season tires which as we all know seriously hampers performance out of the box. The 2009 WRX on the other hand comes with good summer rubber and more power thus it should be faster.

 

You're comparing 100000$ cars to a 30000$ car, do you really think that's accurate? The transmission alone in a ferrari is probably more than 30000$, hell, the transmission in the GTR is 20000$. It should also be noted that these transmissions are not the same as the one in the Ralliart, you might as well try to cite F1 or WRC. As another point, why doesn't Porsche use their paddle shifted transmission in the 911 Turbo or the GT3 RS? You can argue superiority all you want but there's nothing to back it up. It's certainly a superior technology to the old torque converter but I'll keep my manual transmission thank you very much.

 

It just came out for '09 -- suspect you'll see it in the high-end part of the product line soon enough.

 

Why didn't they introduce it for the high end cars? Also, why didn't Mitsubishi see fit to equip the FQ-360 with the TC-SST transmission? I find illogical how people can argue that the TC-SST is the way of the future for cars when they're so new that even the people who make them don't trust them. They're a cool technology but they're not superior.