The TC-SST is an automatic, you can argue back and forth that it's just like a manual but it's not, even Mitsubishi describes it as an automatic. Is it better than the torque converter-based autos? Absolutely but it's still an auto. Given that there was an issue with the transmission handling stop and go traffic, I wouldn't want to abuse it by brake launching. Given that the transmission operates by slipping the clutch, you would essentially be slipping the clutches the whole time you were doing it. If you've ever driven a manual, you know that's bad and leads to premature failure. Since the transmission is non-serviceable at the moment, it's probably not wise to abuse it when you'll be picking up the bill (which is going to be pricey, I would guess between 8 and 10 thousand given the complexity of the transmission).
I'm calling the Ralliart slow because people did exactly the same thing with the WRX. There was a time when the WRX posted a slower 0-60 time than the Ralliart and of course this caused all the fanboys to call it slow. The Ralliart's time of 5.4 isn't slow by any means, it's faster than most cars out there but now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's funny to me. The performance difference between the Ralliart and its competitors is far larger than other differences (such as the Ralliart to 08 WRX or the STI to Evo) outlined in this and other threads yet people argued to the death about those minor variations while at the same time ignoring the shortcomings here.

Again, why would they care about ugliness which is subjective? You're correct about the handling issue but Subarus have always been softer than the Evo which is partly why some reviews preferred them as a race car you can live with on a daily basis.
You're naive if you think Mitsubishi hasn't had paint issues, look at all the evo or lancer owners who have destroyed their rear quarter panel or those who have snapped off the brake pedal. Mitsubishi has also had to do reflashes on the evo because of a rich condition problem. A Mitsubishi fanboy trying to argue about reliability is like Paris Hilton trying to argue about stupidity.

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Because its ugly enough to point out...

I know there were people talking crap about the 08 being a slow car because it didn't post better times than the ralliart but just because they did it doesn't mean you have to do the same thing. You lose the credibility that you have built up with your other arguements by doing so. Stick to facts. There are plenty of things you can say about the ralliart/evo without throwing in an opinion. Same goes for the wrx/sti. You really do make some good points and I understand where you're coming from but sometimes you just come off like you are only trying to bash the car rather than just support subbie. Don't turn into a fanboy

And is the tranny on the Ralliart really a 8-10k job? If not please don't throw out numbers. Thats how rumors get started lol

I see this is still going on... and a mod is still trying to defend Subaru products in a Mitsubishi forum (?!?). You guys have way too much time on your hands... and this is very badly moderated too. I came in here to see if there was any new info to be learned, but I'm not putting up with pages upon pages of stupidity to get to it (if there's any). This thread should be cleaned... by any competent mod if possible.

Apparently Nissan's GTR's twin clutch transmission is $20K, so $10K doesn't sound too far fetched...

And everyone is comparing the MANUAL WRX with an AUTOMATIC Ralliart. If everyone were to be more accurate in your criticisms, compare the 2.5 GT Impreza with the comparably equipped Ralliart. The Ralliart is a better performer of the two, and are roughly the same price...

I am sticking to facts, that's what makes it so satisfying. According to the facts, the Ralliart is slower than it's direct competition (the WRX) and slower than at least 2 other cars (the MS3 and the Cobalt SS).
Logically the transmission in the Ralliart is going to cost more than 5000$ since 5000$ would barely cover the 5-speed at dealer prices.

Wait, so in a thread entitled "Updated WRX....what does this mean for the Ralliart" you expect people to only talk about the Ralliart? How does discussing the WRX (which is the topic at hand) make it poor moderating? Would you rather everyone just dance around and yell about how great Mitsubishi is and how they and they alone make good cars?

Why is this thread stupid? Should it just be all positive. The RA is the greatest car ever? I actually find this thread interesting. I have learned a ton of stuff. It has been very back and forth. Why have a forum that requires censorship for open discussion? Soon there would be no reason to post anything at all. Just list the specs for the car. Have another for pics. One more for bogus track times, all not relevant due to untold variations in track, weather, altitude, fuel, mods. If you can't argue car points, whats the sense? Especially when one is made to directly compete with the other!!!!!!!!

Except that the 2.5 GT isn't meant to compete with the Ralliart. I love how when things don't go well, people change the rules. The Ralliart was designed to be a competitor with the WRX.

And in most respects the RA is a fine competitor for the WRX considering what Mitsubishi had previously brought to the table (aka nothing remotely similar).

Ahh the famous gas pedal that's such a big issue that it's only happend to two people. Problems with the EVO X have been pretty minor compared to the 08 STI/WRX. No engine or transmission failures/recalls. There have been some minor paint issues but nothing compared to the sandpaper that happens on the 08 STI/WRX lower rear doors where people are getting rust already.

Also Mitsubishi reliability is pretty well middle of the pack which happens to be the same as where Subaru sits. Better than Mazda, VW, Chrysler, Nissan. Not as good at Honda, Toyota, Hyundai. Subaru's aren't as reliable as their legions of blind fanboys suggest. Just go to NASIOC where you will see threads littered with failed engines, transmission, rattling interiors, rear strut clunk, etc.

By that standard sure, it's a fine competitor but the fact is it's not this holy grail of cars that some people have previously made it out to be. It doesn't perform as well as the WRX, period. Does this mean it's crap? No, but according to some people, numbers are all that matters in which case the Ralliart isn't even close to a winner.

I just hope the SST is more durable the the GT R. Down in the thread is the link to the warranty where it states to not turn off traction control, and doing so voids the warranty. A little off topic but in regards to the transmission which is similar to the SST. And yes, the GT R trans is 20k!!

http://www.************/forums/index...howtopic=25361

http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpub...09_GTR_WIB.pdf page 6

Then in your words the STI is a failure?