updated wrx... what does this mean for the ralliart
OK, Subie is either replacing those few motors or actually replacing the entire car, depending on the mileage. It was some oiling problem, it is supposed to be fixed and only affected a certain number of VINS. While no one wants to have engine problems on a new car, at least they have found the problem and addressed it quickly and outwardly. It is not like every engine made that is having a problem.
I am going to say that the EVO X is the best track car made to date. Nothing can handle as good as it. Nothing is as fast as it. Nothing looks close to it. Nothing is as solid as it. Nothing goes to those speeds in as much comfort as it.
And if a few thousand was spent on the new 09 WRX suspension and brakes and a stage 2 setup it would hang with the new X period and still be 2-5k cheaper even after mods when compared to a stock EVO X. Would it hold up as long, maybe not. To be determined.
I do not understand why some think these cars are built just for racing at tracks. They are basically very good performance sedans. I am sure some do get some track time, but most get way more highway time. All the money on all the mods and what do you really get? I understand it is a passion and a hobby, but come on, racing is not a living for most people who buy these cars. It is just a huge money pit. Buy a new car that has millions spent engineering it and then spend more because you can do it better. Change wheels, suspension, mod the engine. Then go to the track to tear up a 40k+ car that was plenty fast enough stock for the street.
As has been said so well before, all anyone is saying is that for a 25k car, the WRX is tough to beat for a daily driver. No one has delusions of winning LeMans with it. For the couple of times a day that you get to actually ring it out, it will be more than enough fun. No one is going to give me a cookie for beating a F-150 up the on ramp on the way to work, or for trouncing the kid in the Cobalt LT at the stoplight. Especially when I have two car seats in the back!! It is strictly for fun in short bursts. Not hours of lap time at the local circuit track. The performance numbers are just nice to know, and help give numerical data to help compare cars when making a decision on what to buy.
I personally have no interest in going to a track to tear up my car to post a time that gets me nothing but a bunch of bills for worn brakes, tires, suspension, trans and engine parts. If I was a pro, and made a living doing it, then hell yeah, I would care about the track time. But then again, I would not be dealing with a stock car, I would have a tubbed dedicated trailered race car.
It may be fun to go and race around a track, but for me, I just want a good, economical, fun, practical, usable, enjoyable, comfortable car that is dependable to use year round, and on occasion, can step on it and have a quick thrill without owning one of the boring daily transporters like a Honda Accord.
I am going to say that the EVO X is the best track car made to date. Nothing can handle as good as it. Nothing is as fast as it. Nothing looks close to it. Nothing is as solid as it. Nothing goes to those speeds in as much comfort as it.
And if a few thousand was spent on the new 09 WRX suspension and brakes and a stage 2 setup it would hang with the new X period and still be 2-5k cheaper even after mods when compared to a stock EVO X. Would it hold up as long, maybe not. To be determined.
I do not understand why some think these cars are built just for racing at tracks. They are basically very good performance sedans. I am sure some do get some track time, but most get way more highway time. All the money on all the mods and what do you really get? I understand it is a passion and a hobby, but come on, racing is not a living for most people who buy these cars. It is just a huge money pit. Buy a new car that has millions spent engineering it and then spend more because you can do it better. Change wheels, suspension, mod the engine. Then go to the track to tear up a 40k+ car that was plenty fast enough stock for the street.
As has been said so well before, all anyone is saying is that for a 25k car, the WRX is tough to beat for a daily driver. No one has delusions of winning LeMans with it. For the couple of times a day that you get to actually ring it out, it will be more than enough fun. No one is going to give me a cookie for beating a F-150 up the on ramp on the way to work, or for trouncing the kid in the Cobalt LT at the stoplight. Especially when I have two car seats in the back!! It is strictly for fun in short bursts. Not hours of lap time at the local circuit track. The performance numbers are just nice to know, and help give numerical data to help compare cars when making a decision on what to buy.
I personally have no interest in going to a track to tear up my car to post a time that gets me nothing but a bunch of bills for worn brakes, tires, suspension, trans and engine parts. If I was a pro, and made a living doing it, then hell yeah, I would care about the track time. But then again, I would not be dealing with a stock car, I would have a tubbed dedicated trailered race car.
It may be fun to go and race around a track, but for me, I just want a good, economical, fun, practical, usable, enjoyable, comfortable car that is dependable to use year round, and on occasion, can step on it and have a quick thrill without owning one of the boring daily transporters like a Honda Accord.
funny thing is the JDM EVO RS comes out with the speed limiter to 120mph...
no brembos , lancer ES interior, no ABS, etc..
So in this point of view, is even slower and less advanced then a toyota camry.
But the Evo was never been judged by the magaziune numbers or tests. Only on track. Where it belongs.
That is why is said many times skipp the magazines and look for potential. Because that is why the Evo and the STI became so famous .
Now the WRX was always a great dd. and hope fully the RA . too.
no brembos , lancer ES interior, no ABS, etc..
So in this point of view, is even slower and less advanced then a toyota camry.
But the Evo was never been judged by the magaziune numbers or tests. Only on track. Where it belongs.
That is why is said many times skipp the magazines and look for potential. Because that is why the Evo and the STI became so famous .
Now the WRX was always a great dd. and hope fully the RA . too.
But certainly in his own category hard to find better.
Equal yes but not really better.
Remember, the Viper is not a same category. the exige is might.
only thing is happened every time the wrx history, they died at high rpm. And if they didn't then they break down.
That is my main concerned.
so there is a RA which is completely new for me. I would like to see at least one with the Ecu tune how it performs. Because that is what i like. drop in. highflow cat and tune. for dd.
That is my main concerned.
so there is a RA which is completely new for me. I would like to see at least one with the Ecu tune how it performs. Because that is what i like. drop in. highflow cat and tune. for dd.
All cars blow motors. My 462 CU IN Buick race motor blew with 500 miles on it. Most people do not go on a forum to talk about it, especially if it is a Toyota Camry. These cars do get driven hard which will increase liklihood of finding the weaknesses. All cars have them. No motor is perfect.
I understand these cars are a good start for the tuner hobby. That is why I said it is passion driven. It is really illogical to put so much money in a car with such a small cult following. That said, I understand the need to tweak cars, That has been done by all hot rodders since cars have been around. Nothing wrong with doing it, just takes a lot of money and time that you won't get back.
I am sure there is pride in figuring out how to make you car better than anyone else ROBEVO. That is great and I know you know what you are talking about. All drag racers/track racers have been doing that for decades.
I guess the best example I can come up with is people take a 4x4 truck chassis and then throw a car on top. People think they are rednecks and idiots. They think they are geniuses for doing it and having the comfort and practicalities of a car with the power and usability of a 4 wheel drive truck, all done on the cheap by combining the two. It really is all in the perception as to how you justify the time, energy and money to mod stuff. Some think it is stupid, they think it is great.
Modding a car is great fun. (I personally prefer older muscle car stuff). They get serious performance numbers. Unless you go to any kind of track, it is a total waste of money regardless (like all high performance cars) because when do you really get to use more than 50% of it on the street? You get little to nothing back when you sell. I read where a lot of guys take off all the mods and revert a car back to stock to sell. WOW! That is what kills resale for everyone because nobody wants to touch them with a ten foot pole when used. That is also the beauty of computer controlled boosted cars. Very easy to get away with that stuff easy.
So back on topic.
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Originally Posted by NismoSkylineGTR
When you said right away how fast does it occur?
If it is one of the affected engines, so far the record is held at 239 miles by a forum member, then 264 miles for my spec.B.
So far I know of 5 reports in the last 2 weeks alone, both I mentioned above, the 500+- miles one on here, a 700+-, and an 1100 one.
Guys I'm not kidding when I said not to buy a WRX right now. Bugging Amby aside the issue looks to be major with the 09's as this post from NASIOC is from an 09 owner that lost an engine. 5 failures in two weeks and that doesn't count the 95% of Subaru owners that don't post on NASIOC. On the bright side the engine fails very quickly so if you make it over 1500 miles it appears your engine may last. Kind of sours the whole experience of buying a new vehicle when you have to hope you didn't get a lemon off the lot but to Subaru's credit they are taking car of customers (well it's not like they have a choice given the scale of the problem and the known issues).
When you said right away how fast does it occur?
If it is one of the affected engines, so far the record is held at 239 miles by a forum member, then 264 miles for my spec.B.
So far I know of 5 reports in the last 2 weeks alone, both I mentioned above, the 500+- miles one on here, a 700+-, and an 1100 one.
Guys I'm not kidding when I said not to buy a WRX right now. Bugging Amby aside the issue looks to be major with the 09's as this post from NASIOC is from an 09 owner that lost an engine. 5 failures in two weeks and that doesn't count the 95% of Subaru owners that don't post on NASIOC. On the bright side the engine fails very quickly so if you make it over 1500 miles it appears your engine may last. Kind of sours the whole experience of buying a new vehicle when you have to hope you didn't get a lemon off the lot but to Subaru's credit they are taking car of customers (well it's not like they have a choice given the scale of the problem and the known issues).
Originally Posted by NismoSkylineGTR
When you said right away how fast does it occur?
If it is one of the affected engines, so far the record is held at 239 miles by a forum member, then 264 miles for my spec.B.
So far I know of 5 reports in the last 2 weeks alone, both I mentioned above, the 500+- miles one on here, a 700+-, and an 1100 one.
Guys I'm not kidding when I said not to buy a WRX right now. Bugging Amby aside the issue looks to be major with the 09's as this post from NASIOC is from an 09 owner that lost an engine. 5 failures in two weeks and that doesn't count the 95% of Subaru owners that don't post on NASIOC. On the bright side the engine fails very quickly so if you make it over 1500 miles it appears your engine may last. Kind of sours the whole experience of buying a new vehicle when you have to hope you didn't get a lemon off the lot but to Subaru's credit they are taking car of customers (well it's not like they have a choice given the scale of the problem and the known issues).
When you said right away how fast does it occur?
If it is one of the affected engines, so far the record is held at 239 miles by a forum member, then 264 miles for my spec.B.
So far I know of 5 reports in the last 2 weeks alone, both I mentioned above, the 500+- miles one on here, a 700+-, and an 1100 one.
Guys I'm not kidding when I said not to buy a WRX right now. Bugging Amby aside the issue looks to be major with the 09's as this post from NASIOC is from an 09 owner that lost an engine. 5 failures in two weeks and that doesn't count the 95% of Subaru owners that don't post on NASIOC. On the bright side the engine fails very quickly so if you make it over 1500 miles it appears your engine may last. Kind of sours the whole experience of buying a new vehicle when you have to hope you didn't get a lemon off the lot but to Subaru's credit they are taking car of customers (well it's not like they have a choice given the scale of the problem and the known issues).
As for doing this just to bug me, I would strongly suggest you cut it with that kind of an attitude.
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That's 7 cars, as far as we know, that's all of them. Subaru found the issue and has dealt with it not just by covering the affected motors but by changing their process entirely. As said, every car has problems of some sort. Two evos had the gas pedal problem so if we scale up to take into account the larger population size of NASIOC, you'r probably at a pretty equal proportion. Again the issue wasn't the quality of the car persay but an error in manufacturing.
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Please.
Don't flatter yourself. I don't post with you in mind. I meant it as anything negative posted about Subaru on these boards is immediately countered by you defending Subaru like your well-being hinges on their success or something. I'm only trying to inform people on the fence about the WRX that there are issues to consider. Why can't you accept that Subaru has messed up?
7 cars is alot when you consider that only covers a small percentage of the demographic. 'As far as we know' only covers the NASOIC. I'd be willing to bet that affected car could be in the 50 - 100 numbers or even more as it's pretty naive to expect that every 2.5L turbo purchaser is a NASIOC member. If you read the thread further it appears that the corrected process may not have solved the problems. We know that there's an ongoing turbo oil feed recall but the failures are bearing related that was supposed to be taken care of with the April recall/stop sell. Could 09's still be getting 08 blocks from April? It's all specultaion but if your WRX lasted past the 1500 mile mark who knows what will happen when 10000 miles are accumulated and you add some mods then the engine fails. Will Subaru convieniently void the warranty due to mods (as they have in the past)? Pretty scary times to purchase a Subaru turbo for sure.
Mitsubishi voids warranties for mods as well, just as the many members on here that have had engine, transmission or drivetrain issues on their modded cars.
Please. Don't flatter yourself. I don't post with you in mind. I meant it as anything negative posted about Subaru on these boards is immediately countered by you defending Subaru like your well-being hinges on their success or something. I'm only trying to inform people on the fence about the WRX that there are issues to consider. Why can't you accept that Subaru has messed up?
Don't flatter yourself. I don't post with you in mind. I meant it as anything negative posted about Subaru on these boards is immediately countered by you defending Subaru like your well-being hinges on their success or something. I'm only trying to inform people on the fence about the WRX that there are issues to consider. Why can't you accept that Subaru has messed up?I already agreed that Subaru messed up in this case but so have other companies. At least they've had the foresight to accept responsibility. This still has no bearing on the comparison since it won't affect anyone anyways and it's not like the Ralliart is going to go without its own growing pains.
People keep on acting like the WRX or STI have crappy engines that explode all the time. I have to know someone who has personally had a single issue with their stock motor. A few people have blown motors when they've heavily modified the car but that can be said of any car realistically speaking.
Now he is an Evo driver . Other two is still in the Subi.
The WRX both are mildly modifyed. the STi had a TBE intake boost controller and a tune.
The STI blow couple times the diff too.
guys can you imagine, if 7 4B11T would less then 1500 miles known by the forums out there...
We had 2 broken gas pedal, /3 times by the same guy less then 5k miles.../
And look at the respond... So why it is so bad, if some one actually mentioned the WRX problems or "seems to be a problem" as you may.
In the thread what actually talk about the WRX ?
We had 2 broken gas pedal, /3 times by the same guy less then 5k miles.../
And look at the respond... So why it is so bad, if some one actually mentioned the WRX problems or "seems to be a problem" as you may.
In the thread what actually talk about the WRX ?
Clearly that was because of abuse. I know plenty of people with those mods that are fine, they even track the car regularly and they haven't had a single issue.
