updated wrx... what does this mean for the ralliart
It's not like the 2.5L engine in the WRX is new or has new technology added. It's a case of a new manufacturing process/materials and poor QA. It's really no different than what happened when Mitsubishi lightened the internals in the 2G DSM 4G63 and had some CW issues in 1995 - 2007 models.
Actually Mitsubishi took responsibility for the recalls.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A9669C8B63
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...203561764.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A9669C8B63
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...203561764.html

Since you mentioned a fatality I thought you were referring to the Fuso truck that lost a wheel which subsequently ran over a women.
Hey, I'm curious on how the SST shift, does it shift by itself or you still use the pedal? And if you dont use the pedal how high the RPM is before it starts to shift?
Why so defensive?
I think these are some great and amazing numbers, as well as results. No, it probably wouldn't touch an evo on a road course. But I bet it'd come close. (That's what they mean when they say knocking).
0-60 4.7 seconds, 13.5 @ 102??
The guy in the vid also posted good wheel torque numbers, regardless of the dyno. Those are great numbers for the price. I don't get why you react like that
Those numbers are definitely knocking on evo numbers, as well as STI numbers. Go to a road course and you'll see the "true" results? What kind of comment is that? Are you trying to "put the wrx in it's place"? Maybe that's the difference between a car enthusiast and an evo enthusiast
I bet if Evo owners lashed out against Mitsubishi the way Subaru people and the entire internet community did we'd have slightly different cars. If the people say the performance is fine the producer won't change it. If they say the quality is fine the producer won't change it. I think that's pretty basic.
Subaru did a great job re-releasing this car. Sucks a little for the guys who now technically have Subaru 2.5gt's or whatever it's called now.
This little wrx posted numbers as fast/faster than most evo's and sti's stock! I can't be sure, but this has to force both their hands into pumping more speed into their flagship cars, doesn't it?
I think these are some great and amazing numbers, as well as results. No, it probably wouldn't touch an evo on a road course. But I bet it'd come close. (That's what they mean when they say knocking).
0-60 4.7 seconds, 13.5 @ 102??
The guy in the vid also posted good wheel torque numbers, regardless of the dyno. Those are great numbers for the price. I don't get why you react like that
Those numbers are definitely knocking on evo numbers, as well as STI numbers. Go to a road course and you'll see the "true" results? What kind of comment is that? Are you trying to "put the wrx in it's place"? Maybe that's the difference between a car enthusiast and an evo enthusiast
I bet if Evo owners lashed out against Mitsubishi the way Subaru people and the entire internet community did we'd have slightly different cars. If the people say the performance is fine the producer won't change it. If they say the quality is fine the producer won't change it. I think that's pretty basic.
Subaru did a great job re-releasing this car. Sucks a little for the guys who now technically have Subaru 2.5gt's or whatever it's called now.
This little wrx posted numbers as fast/faster than most evo's and sti's stock! I can't be sure, but this has to force both their hands into pumping more speed into their flagship cars, doesn't it?
Who is deffensive?
I posted where you can decide why is the STI is better or the Evo is better . Not by magazine numbers or 1/4 mile.
" Go to a road course and you'll see the "true" results? What kind of comment is that? Are you trying to "put the wrx in it's place"? Maybe that's the difference between a car enthusiast and an evo enthusiast
The real test, AT the track , not on the dyno or the magazine.
That is a difference between magazine readers and car drivers.
"This little wrx posted numbers as fast/faster than most evo's and sti's stock!"
on drag, for 1/4 mile. Just many other cars. But when it comes down for autoX or road race there is where you see the difference.
The EVo or the STI was never been designed 1/4 runs.
You certainly lost , if you are measured them by the 1/4 mile. Many cars before was faster then a factory evo. So?
Not to mention the fact you compere the 09 model to the 08.
I'm sure the 09 will come out with the ECU bugs. SO i wouldn't be surprised if the 09 evo will exceed or reach the 300 hp mark
Those evo test are made before the first ECU flash recall came out from Mitsubishi. And since then Another came out too.
With the two /only/ factory flash , the Evo is faster and no hasitation problems.
So wait the comparison untill the 09 evo comes out.
I like to compere the same released year cars. Just makes it fair.

And this is one example why, what i just wrote up here.
Who is deffensive?
I posted where you can decide why is the STI is better or the Evo is better . Not by magazine numbers or 1/4 mile.
" Go to a road course and you'll see the "true" results? What kind of comment is that? Are you trying to "put the wrx in it's place"? Maybe that's the difference between a car enthusiast and an evo enthusiast
"
The real test, AT the track , not on the dyno or the magazine.
That is a difference between magazine readers and car drivers.
"This little wrx posted numbers as fast/faster than most evo's and sti's stock!"
on drag, for 1/4 mile. Just many other cars. But when it comes down for autoX or road race there is where you see the difference.
The EVo or the STI was never been designed 1/4 runs.
You certainly lost , if you are measured them by the 1/4 mile. Many cars before was faster then a factory evo. So?
Not to mention the fact you compere the 09 model to the 08.
I'm sure the 09 will come out with the ECU bugs. SO i wouldn't be surprised if the 09 evo will exceed or reach the 300 hp mark
Those evo test are made before the first ECU flash recall came out from Mitsubishi. And since then Another came out too.
With the two /only/ factory flash , the Evo is faster and no hasitation problems.
So wait the comparison untill the 09 evo comes out.
I like to compere the same released year cars. Just makes it fair.
And this is one example why, what i just wrote up here.
I posted where you can decide why is the STI is better or the Evo is better . Not by magazine numbers or 1/4 mile.
" Go to a road course and you'll see the "true" results? What kind of comment is that? Are you trying to "put the wrx in it's place"? Maybe that's the difference between a car enthusiast and an evo enthusiast
The real test, AT the track , not on the dyno or the magazine.
That is a difference between magazine readers and car drivers.
"This little wrx posted numbers as fast/faster than most evo's and sti's stock!"
on drag, for 1/4 mile. Just many other cars. But when it comes down for autoX or road race there is where you see the difference.
The EVo or the STI was never been designed 1/4 runs.
You certainly lost , if you are measured them by the 1/4 mile. Many cars before was faster then a factory evo. So?
Not to mention the fact you compere the 09 model to the 08.
I'm sure the 09 will come out with the ECU bugs. SO i wouldn't be surprised if the 09 evo will exceed or reach the 300 hp mark
Those evo test are made before the first ECU flash recall came out from Mitsubishi. And since then Another came out too.
With the two /only/ factory flash , the Evo is faster and no hasitation problems.
So wait the comparison untill the 09 evo comes out.
I like to compere the same released year cars. Just makes it fair.

And this is one example why, what i just wrote up here.
Seriously... who said sh*t about wrx beating it on a track? The only thing taking a beating is your ego from all these quick accelerating cheaper cars. Get over it. Evo is faster on a track. We were ONLY TALKING ABOUT 1/4 MILE TIMES. AND NO ONE EVER SAID THAT THAT IS THE DEFINITIVE CHARACTERISTIC FOR A SPORTS CAR. Wow man. Everything is a contest for you and your evo x.
Damn.. seriously... You come over into every thread to make sure everyone knows that in the end, your evo x is faster
And look at you all butt-hurt saying stuff about how next year, the evo will be faster. Who... cares..?! The 09 wrx has good acceleration numbers! In fact, they're about even with evo's and sti's! That's it!
No one even ever said nor would disagree with the fact that the evo x would probably run faster on any given track! Yet you feel the urge to point it out to put your X back on top. DUH THE X WOULD RUN FASTER. DUH A TRACK IS A TRUE TEST OF THE CAR'S FULL POTENTIAL. DUH.
Like I said, the difference between evo enthusiasts and car enthusiasts.
Last edited by kyoo; Oct 30, 2008 at 04:39 PM.
Some new numbers on the WRX from Car and Driver.
PERFORMANCE:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.9 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 19.7 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.5 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 142 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 160 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g
FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city/highway driving: 18/25 mpg
C/D observed: 20 mpg
I think that is knocking on EVO numbers and for a lot less money. I say, what does this do for the EVO not the Ralliart. If it is performance you are after on a budget, this looks like a no brainer.
PERFORMANCE:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.9 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 19.7 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.5 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 142 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 160 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g
FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city/highway driving: 18/25 mpg
C/D observed: 20 mpg
I think that is knocking on EVO numbers and for a lot less money. I say, what does this do for the EVO not the Ralliart. If it is performance you are after on a budget, this looks like a no brainer.
HMMM...
"I think that is knocking on EVO numbers and for a lot less money. I say, what does this do for the EVO not the Ralliart. If it is performance you are after on a budget, this looks like a no brainer."
" Originally Posted by ExcessLancer View Post
MItsu is weak right now and subie is kicking them while they are down by quickly responding to the requests of their buyers the 09 wrx is soo good now i would not be surprised to see it spank the evoX....."
dboz
"So they got .6 faster 0-60 than manufacturer specs. That is EVO IX fast, isn't it?. "
Mystique
"HOLY CRAP!! The new 2009 WRX is a beast! It's as fast as a STI and Evo X."
"The WRX is as fast, almost as fast as a Cobalt SS around a track, and a Cobalt SS is faster than Evo X MR, and way faster than an STI, so no, a WRX is as fast."

No you dont, you saying just as fast
In normal auto mode it'll shift at low RPM's for you. In sport auto mode it'll shift at later RPM's and quicker. In normal manual mode you shift all the gears and can peg it at redline all day if you want to. In sport manual mode the shifts are extremely fast and precise. Almost instanteous with the flick of your finger.
But hey if you guys say so. I belive it. The 09 WRX is just as fast then the 08 evo X.
Well we will see the 09 WRX vs 09 EvoX .
And certainly the track will be a real judge too.
Well we will see the 09 WRX vs 09 EvoX .
And certainly the track will be a real judge too.
Is english not your first language? I think there may be some misunderstanding and that is why you're having a problem with this?
Or are you just unable to accept the fact that IN A STRAIGHT LINE ONLY, wrx is just as fast? Oops. You can leave now.
Seriously, if you don't understand that much? That that is all the people are saying? If the sti can't beat the evo on any track what makes anyone think the wrx can?? We are talking about straight line! wrx is just as fast as evo and sti on the straight line?? If you can't comprehend that, don't make arguments otherwise
I'm seriously sick of your **** man. So defensive of the evo x. Read my earlier post too, where I clearly draw the line on where this argument is. You're talking about something completely different. Stop trolling
I'm just saying man, wrx posted 0-60 and 1/4 mile times that rival a lot of averages for evo's and sti's. It doesn't mean it's a faster car on the track, nor has anything to do with the track. No one else is having a hard time understanding this, so what is the problem? I'm hoping once he understands that, he'll leave.
You mean one guy in these forums. I read that too. If you do your homework you konw that the TC-SST has a 'limp' mode in the case of overheating. Why this one guy had this issue after fifteen minutes? Who knows. I think someone else mentioned that they had a 'caution' message come up on the display after doing some driving winding country roads as well. No mag that has tested the MR in world class tracks with professional drivers has had this issue so it's obviously not a common occurance but it is unacceptable in a performance car. Still though no real mechanical failures to speak of with the TC-SST and in Mitsubishi's defense it is new technology and other vehicles using this type of transmission such as the GTR are having larger issues such as grenading transmissions.
It's not like the 2.5L engine in the WRX is new or has new technology added. It's a case of a new manufacturing process/materials and poor QA. It's really no different than what happened when Mitsubishi lightened the internals in the 2G DSM 4G63 and had some CW issues in 1995 - 2007 models.
It's not like the 2.5L engine in the WRX is new or has new technology added. It's a case of a new manufacturing process/materials and poor QA. It's really no different than what happened when Mitsubishi lightened the internals in the 2G DSM 4G63 and had some CW issues in 1995 - 2007 models.
I would still buy this wrx if I were shopping in this price range. It's not like Subaru is ignoring the problem, and I still want the best performance money can buy in this range (If I am looking for a new car). They're fixing it, so what does it even matter?
I'd rather buy from a company who fixes one big problem than a company who ignores many little ones.
I'd rather buy from a company who fixes one big problem than a company who ignores many little ones.







