^ They are in MI. , I've seen 10+ already. GM execs get to pre-drive the new Camaros before they hit the market.

 

The new genesis coupe with the 4b11 cousin is making 197whp and 227wtq according to Inside Line - http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightlin...hotopanel..2.*

This car is looking pretty good - I wonder what kind of times it'll run. Out of curiosity, how much is the RA making to the wheels? Should be a bit less, with the awd right?

 

I was really surprised of my Ralliarts power

i have a video but took it down because i forgot to read the posting rules ( street racing) lol

pm me if you want the vid

 

what about mazda speed 3??

 

It would beat a stock RA easily.

 

a RA with a flash can beat a mazdaspeed 3

you gotta remember when you look at 1/4 mile times from reviews the people driving in the review are good at what they do.

lets say some random kid brings his ms3 to the track... his times will probably be way off what the car is "supposed to run" with the RA as long as you get a decent launch down its failproof after that.

edit: just looked at insideline... and they rate the 1/4 mile for the ms3 at 14.2... the RA stock is like 14.3 or something so it should be close even if its stock vs stock

 

AWD is RWD with training wheels.

Lol thats the sig of a moderator on a civic aka FWD forum

 

ms3 vs ra is a drivers race, favoring the ms3 by a tad,


With a flash..its a diff. story

 

but if they are both flashed that would be interesting
the MP3 would be behind a bit off the line, from wheelspin, but im sure it will catch up, always wanted to race one with my GTI flashed but never got the chance to

 

The Ralliart is undoubtedly easier to drive at the track. However, the MS3 has a larger turbo and better top end. It would be close, that's for sure. In something other than a standing 1/4 mile test, the MS3 would walk away.

 

i think it would be a pretty good race in auto-x type race too. the ms3 is fwd and has torque steer (and any power mods will only make it worse)... so maybe the RA (where you can keep both hands on the wheel when cornering, let the car downshift itself and you have awd) could keep pace in a race like that, even with poor tires. any course with long straights is where the RA would definitely be passed.

 

Torque-steer isn't that big of a deal, realistically you can't go full throttle with either car in a corner. From what I remember, Car and Driver or Road and Track did such a comparison and the MS3 still came out ahead.

 

^ Very true.

Full throttle + turn = going straight.

For example, Eddie Griffin + Ferrari Enzo + Full Throttle = Hello, Mr. Cement Barrier!
Eddie Griffin & Ferrari Enzo
Wheels turned, but he's still going straight . Poor Enzo....

Same concept in any car essentially, AWD does make it a little easier to get that turn going - but its still unwise for full throttle in any cornering situation.

 

i was thinking full throttle coming out of a corner not going in... but yeah i see what you mean. once you get used to torque steer and prepare for it to happen its probably no big deal

 

Speaking of a MS3 saw one dyno yesterday put out 264WHP and 294WTQ (Dynojet). Same day a turbodiesel truck put out a beastly 581WHP and 860WTQ.