ay guys im looking to hit atleast 280 whp by the summer..i dont wanna go over and have problems with this funny tranny
anyways i was just seeing if i can get some thoughts or opinions on which parts i need and what companys to go with to acheive this goal..right now performance wise i am bone stock. I was thinking about getting a intercooler with lower and upper piping..turboback exhaust..and intake boost pill and then get a tune..what do you guys think'?

 

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That should give you your 280 whp. Any reason why you want 280 specifically?

AMS, TTP and GST motorsport seem to be the forum favorites as far as tuners go and they all sell the exhaust, intakes, intercoolers and boost pills to go with your tune.

If your a DIY guy you may want to pick up a Tactrix cable and use GST free base map with boost pill, you can order it from them for about $15. That should put you around the 240 mark, it makes a huge difference and you'll save $1500+ on the exhaust/intake/intercooler. But it really depends on what you want out of the car.

 

i have no idea what im doing when it comes to tuning lol...i got no idea how to use a tactrix cable ..but yea i want to stay around the 280 mark or just a little more because i daily drive this car and i cant afford a new 9000 dollar tranny...i mean any care to help or teach me how to use the cable lol..i was planning on installing the parts and get a accessport to save the tune that sean ivey will do..

 

Don't play if you can't afford to pay.

I'm just sayin...

 

that wont give him 280 whp. Ask tim how much power his ralliart really has after a "forum" favorite tune.

WHP isnt what effects the tranny, its torque. Reaching 280 ft lbs on the stock turbo is possible, but 280 whp isnt.

If you want that power, the x turbo tune and turbo back with an IC upgrade is the way to go.

 

Looks like it has been done:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/09...p-294-wtq.html

This one is just a tune:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/09...hanks-ttp.html

 

The AWD dyno is some great work, and is the only real case showing a stock turbo ralliart that close to 280. If you read down, AWD themselves agree it could be 5 or so hp high due to weather and the corrections on the dyno so that brings him down into the 270 range where i am. Additionally they say that the car runs about 210 whp stock on their dyno, which is on the high end of the stock spectrum. His car is a very well tuned 270 whp monster like mine and many others on here, but isnt a true 280whp something near impossible on the stock turbo

In terms of ttp numbers, recent threads and re tunes have shown that their dyno rates high, as was previously suspected. This in no way says they arent good at what they do, and im not bashing, im just being honest.

Tims ralliart dynoed 274 whp and 294 torque at ttp, but only 245 whp on AWD's dynojet. After some time on the dyno his numbers were brought up to 260 whp.

threads can be found here :

firs tune + dyno
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/09...e-results.html
redyno and retune
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/09...whp-279tq.html

In the end, top power number like these is only relevant to if there is a basenumber to go with. I could dyno 330 whp tomorrow on a dingy dyno and claim those numbers just as any other numbers, but they are meaningless unless i baseline on the dyno (specically in the 195 whp-210 whp range) and then show the end result being 330 whp or whatever it could be.

If the OP took his car to ams, he would dyno 200whp or under, and after a full mod list and custom tune, he would NOT hit 280 whp without switching the turbo. Going to a different dyno that rates our car higher, say in the 230 whp stock range, which has been discussed to death and is widly known as way to high and over showing, then yes 280 on that dyno is possible, but the real number wouldnt be known, only the gains.

I have gained 70 whp from stock run to where i am now. If i dynoed on a high rating dyno that gave out 230's stock, then i would be a 300 whp stock turbo ralliart, which is absurd.

 

Tuning with a specific horsepower in mind is kind of dumb. It is different on EVERY dyno and even in different weather conditions. I take every dyno number that I hear on here with a giant grain of salt. If you really want an accurate indication of how your car stacks up to others in terms of actual power put to the ground, get your car tuned properly, and then take the car to the track and come back with a time slip. That is about the best way to tell where you actually sit. Also, your butt dyno is really all that matters as long as the car is running correctly. You need to understand why you are doing what you are doing before you do it.

 

^ i agree. Track times is the true solid way to know how much you are actually putting to the ground.

 

Actually, 280 lb/ft of torque is EASIER to hit on the stock turbo than 280 whp. The 4b11t is a very torque-rich engine, and our undersized turbos peter out towards the top end.

That being said, I agree with NFSLancerRA about not shooting for a particular number. While it is true that our TC-SST's can't sustain huge amounts of power, you aren't going to run into those problems unless you upgrade the turbo. With the stock turbo, you just won't make enough power to overtax the transmission. What you should be shooting for is a usable power curve and other modifications that fit with what you look to do with your car.

From the sounds of it, a Cobb AccessPort is probably the right choice for you. It will cost more than a tactrix cable/custom tune, but even you should be able to use it. You'll be able to see gains right away with a Stage 1 map, and from there you can decide what additional modifications you might want. Plus, if you modify, you'll be able to benefit from OTS maps for RA that have similar modifications. And, you'll also be able to get a custom tune, since most reputable tuners will be able to tune using Cobb's software.

 

I think that that was what he was getting at. I believe that he cites a car putting out 277 whp and 294 ft/lbs of torque.

 

My problem is that I don't think that people understand why they are putting their cars on the dynomometer in the first place.

 

most new comers to a tuning community dont understand why they are, you are exactly right.

 

We have done quite a few ralliarts.

With just the reflash on the dyno we can make around 250 whp dynojet.

If you add parts like exhaust and intake that will help bring you in the 265-275 range.

We haven't pushed them too hard.

On our dyno the stock evo X MR makes 235 wheel, and the 2009 ralliart makes 198-200 whp stock.

Sean