On an EVO 8/9, the fuel trims DONT affect WOT AFR.

Its a different story on a EVO X though

 

Lets hope that people will behave so we can read more...

The bad thing with the inflated numbers is the embarassment after a race... At the track of course...

"Dude, my car makes 450awhp...."
"Wow, you should trap in the 120s no problem"

...pass...

"Yo, man what did you trap?"
"Emmm, hmmm, i trapped 115..."
"With 450awhp? Thats more like 350awhp..."

Now, guys... tell me... how many times have we seen this at the track?

 

ahhhhhh yuppp! as long as it traps good thats all what matters!!

 

Question,,,,

Answer,,,



Do we see a pattern here??

Direct questions deserve direct answers. Another prime example of the "car sales" talk when a client is looking for an answer from a knowledgeable professional.

--------------------------------------------------Care to explain this one??


"You have to take into consideration that this is on our dynodynamics dyno which reads 15-18% lower than your average dynojet!

Link:https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-round-xx.html

There is a damn good comparison of how our exact dyno reads to one of the nearest dyno jets around. "


>>>>>> http://*******.com/forums/showthread.php?p=93215



or this one???

"I took my 05 STi to DG Motors and read 338WHP with a 35R kit. Its on a Dyno Dynamics, which i've heard is the lowest reading dyno around. Any idea what i would see on a Mustang? I've heard that with my numbers on a Dyno Jet would be a 18% increase and would be at 399WHP....is this true?"

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...1638314&page=3


maybe this one???

"Thanks man, I have full bolt on's except for intercooler and lower intercooler pipe & down pipe. I have an excellent tune from DG Motors in Long island and I've had plenty of dyno time... On a very low reading dyno dynamics dyno with a 1.0 correction factor It made 297.7 awp & 340 awt which equals about 360awp on a dynojet. Where are you from... please hit the follow button on my blog to chat with me every now and then."

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gr-exter...nt-e-town.html



I may be more concise expressing myself on a public forum than the op--- but it's very clear that he is telling the truth of your ways...

Do you see a pattern here??

 

I've never heard of Dyno Dynamics but I've always heard that Dynojets read really high and Mustang Dynos are usually the most accurate.. so if you make say 350whp on a MD and 400whp on a dynojet, you aren't really making any more power or making your car any faster it's just reading higher because of the kind of dyno. Track times is all that matters. Take it to the track and if you run 12s with a good 60' then you've got problems lol. Or just see what your trap speed is. IMO there's so many different variables that affect dyno numbers that I've never worried about it. (weather, temp, gas, boost, timing, the dyno you're using, etc.)

 

to the op, dyno numbers is just the number man, the important thing is the timeslip at the drag strip. You drive the car on the dyno or on the road?

 

Dyno Dynamic dyno's work really good if you know how they work lol.

Whats the deal with using a EVO X base map from buschur to use on all your evo X's and suddenly you guys are specialists?

How long has your shop even existed?

 

So for a bit of a laugh I read some of these threads that you were using as an example as evidence and came across a post in the same thread you posted and it said this:

"Mustangs in general usually read the lowest. But even across the same model/brand dyno, things vary by a fairly large margin.

Dynos are pretty much useless as comparative tools unless you are talking about the same dyno, in the same shop. Even though people like to fool themselves into thinking they are the same."

Let the trap times dictate, unless your hung up with a specific number and not the actual performance of the car. Once again just my $.02

 

Yes,,, those are my words. Very consistent with my character now that you mentioned it. Very similar to what I tell my clients everyday.

I'm glad you brought that up, since the topic at hand is false advertisement to lure un-educated clients onto your low-reading dyno correct?

Bravo!!! Thanks for the quote!

Ninja edit::

rant/on

While you were so busy trying to find a way to support dg in your "fanship" (if that's even a word,,,lol), you didn't even read my quote in context and refer to the graphs on the first page that came from the same unmolested dynojet before/after.

Take a look at this graph and see if it's time for you to pm a request for a re-tune..

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ml#post7106937

Before you answer, ask yourself why you should need a re-tune after paying for the tune in the first place.

rant/off

 

Good god, i read every word here until the last two pages, ran out of steam....

All I have to say, since I am from the Evo X crowd is that XEVOX08 (jimmy i think), you should be happy with your power on a dynojet. You are making good power and to make any more safely you just can't. Honestly, if you made any more I would agree with DG and say your motor is at risk. You can't make E85 numbers on that thing with 93 octane, you just can't. That is why E85 owns, because of its abilities, but I think you might be being a bit unreasonable. As far as everything else I will stay out of it, because honestly it's out of my league, i haven't studied the 8/9's enough to comment, didn't own my 8 long enough to mod it.

I have PM'ed DG before and i think they know what they are doing, as far as CF goes I will stay out of that, because honestly things can get skewed very easy through words and the internet.

I think everyone needs to calm down a bit and take a step back. We should all take a day off from this thread and come back and then see how we feel, lol

I WILL SAY THIS, a 1.0CF dyno dynamics can have varied results. I myself made about 11 percent more on a dynojet, but many people i know swore by 15-18 percent more on a dynojet. So many factors are involved in these calculations that I cannot begin to explain its not a linear equation. Also the torque does not scale the same as HP, just a biproduct of how torque is calculated.

 

So then one would assume the best logic to figure everything out is a simple search of the forums for people tuned on a dyno jet or mustang vs. DG's tune on there Dyno Dynamics. If the 60's are similar, as are the mods, compare the times, because what if the times are consistent? Then all thats happening is bashing a vendor who did there job, tuning a car to give it more power, and to make the customer happy. I understand that this thread has unhappy ones, as well as happy ones. So lets keep things civil and try just get to the bottom of it.

Oh one more thing if I had the money to own a dyno, personally I wouldn't own it, thats what tuners are there for, I would spend the 40-50 grand I would put more work into my Evo and then bank the remaining 35-40 grand cause you never know when you'll have a rainy day lol.

 

Erk, Im not taking any sides, but do you really think that nothing good can come out of DG? I mean everyone has their ups and downs, youve had yours and I bet no one continually bashed you with new facts every hour on the hour, even if you havent posted all day... Ya know?!?

This is why dyno wars are ****in retarded!!! Just stick to the simplicity yet extremely effective road tunes! This way youll never have to worry about your competition finding out how much power you made along with factoring in all real life loads, conditions, etc.

Hell Im in need of tuning my GSX, going to finally rip her up after the holidays! Hope this crap ends soon....

Dan

 

"Reading comprehension" owns some of you. smh

Can we please stay on topic?
I am holding my tongue on "putting motors at risk" or "pushing for dyno numbers beyond motors' capabilities" out of this shop in question, to stay on topic.

 

Thank you for remaining civil in this matter.

Your logic is only flawed by dg's wrecklessness with the cf on their dyno. This is the main topic of this post. If you read some of the threads I quoted DG advertised 15-18% spreads vs dynojets while the 'control x' button was smoking.

This it what concerns most of the people in this tightly nit community. I know you and Pete might have shared a beer during your tuning session and developed a good relationship, but please look to the facts presented in this thread, multiply them by comments on other threads and come to the same conclusion that any logical ,'mild mannered tennis fan' would see with the evidence at hand.

 

Yes Dan, I concur. Dyno wars are retarded, however this seems to be a trend.

Over 80% of my customers don't even touch a dyno. In fact most of them are gamblers who wish to leave output unknown. They are confident in my 'butt dyno' and rely on mph at the track to be the judge.

We all have our ups and downs Dan, we do not all use false advertisement to climb back up the ladder.

I'm sorry that this has come to this, but you can believe in your heart that with 6,500 views the important message here has been heard.


I will take your "leave'em alone,,, can't you see they can't breathe" message highly, and retire myself for the evening.

Good night.