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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 09:29 AM
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I have new ef2. Should I talk to map about upgrading to ef2.5? I hope to stay on stock block. (Evo8)

Car has gsc s2 and br race fmic.


I'll also be running ef2 on 07 Sti engine. ( wonder how that will compare)
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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 10:06 AM
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you can talk all day. However lag is a perception and everyone's is different. Some people prefer or need that response and midrange torque. Either for a competitive car in a specific class or preference, it makes no difference. The only thing you have to understand is not everyone perceives it the way you do.
I understand what your saying but unless your racing from a dead stop, at a light or at the track, with no launch I can see where the "lag" could get you. But at the same time does it really matter if the lag is there being if the car is built right for drag lets say where the top end is gonna matter now how slow the turbo will get you off the line. Even if your road racing or auto x where your racing against time, that lag really isn't gonna matter. I can guarantee you that a 500 rpm difference in spool will not affect much time at all as long as you have mid range or top end in either situation.
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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by SlavaGC8
I have new ef2. Should I talk to map about upgrading to ef2.5? I hope to stay on stock block. (Evo8)

Car has gsc s2 and br race fmic.


I'll also be running ef2 on 07 Sti engine. ( wonder how that will compare)
Apples to oranges being doesn't the 07 sti have a 2.5 motor in it?
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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 11:07 AM
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Spun through 1st and 2nd last night not a bad turbo
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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by evotuner04
Spun through 1st and 2nd last night not a bad turbo
that makes my jeans tight. I'm excited to see what the EF3 will do
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Old Mar 31, 2013 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by evotuner04
Spun through 1st and 2nd last night not a bad turbo
What tires and what size?
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Old Apr 1, 2013 | 04:35 AM
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I'm not trying to bash the EF2 and EF2.5, because when some money frees up i was planning on getting one. But..

An EVO 9 with a nice set of cams and decent intercooler on a stock IX turbo can put out 420whp on e85 @ 30psi.

Why even bother?
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Old Apr 1, 2013 | 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cursedsm
I understand what your saying but unless your racing from a dead stop, at a light or at the track, with no launch I can see where the "lag" could get you. But at the same time does it really matter if the lag is there being if the car is built right for drag lets say where the top end is gonna matter now how slow the turbo will get you off the line. Even if your road racing or auto x where your racing against time, that lag really isn't gonna matter. I can guarantee you that a 500 rpm difference in spool will not affect much time at all as long as you have mid range or top end in either situation.
Look your a drag guy I get it. However in competitive autocross and gymkhana classes, even hundreds or thousands of a second can mean the difference between winning and losing and your 500 RPM of lag can certainly cause that. Peak power doesn't mean anything on an autocross/gymkhana course.

Personally I just don't like the lag around town. I don't like waiting for it. I am seriously impatient. If I want to make more power for whatever reason I will just use spray. Not a big deal IMO. I don't understand why people are so against nitrous. It is the best power adder pound for pound (used to run lots and lots of nitrous in my NA builds...love the stuff)

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Old Apr 1, 2013 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by j255c
I'm not trying to bash the EF2 and EF2.5, because when some money frees up i was planning on getting one. But..

An EVO 9 with a nice set of cams and decent intercooler on a stock IX turbo can put out 420whp on e85 @ 30psi.

Why even bother?
From what I have seen on average the EF2 makes 20-30 WHP more throughout the majority of the RPM band, and holds power much better than a stock 9 turbo at high RPM. The EF2 has made high 400 numbers FYI.
Alot of people might think the EF2 isn't worth it for the price tag. For the drag guys I can understand that and respect anyone who feels that way. To each their own. However looking beyond the peak numbers, the power delivery is awesome. A great street turbo and prolly the most fun to drive IMO but I love torque ya know.

Truth be told I am torn between the FP Green and the EF2 and when I get ready to choose it's going to be a tough day.

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Old Apr 1, 2013 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by j255c
I'm not trying to bash the EF2 and EF2.5, because when some money frees up i was planning on getting one. But..

An EVO 9 with a nice set of cams and decent intercooler on a stock IX turbo can put out 420whp on e85 @ 30psi.

Why even bother?
420whp, sure dynojet numbers. But I have seen EF2's make 480whp on corn and I am sure EF2.5's can crack 500whp on a dynojet with the right setup.

The 9 turbo doesn't flow as much.
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Old Apr 1, 2013 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mrfred
A BBK Full is a 500 whp (DJ) turbo (on kill mode) on E85. Is that what the EF2 can do?
Originally Posted by murlo26
420whp, sure dynojet numbers. But I have seen EF2's make 480whp on corn and I am sure EF2.5's can crack 500whp on a dynojet with the right setup.

The 9 turbo doesn't flow as much.
It has been done
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Old Apr 1, 2013 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cursedsm
Apples to oranges being doesn't the 07 sti have a 2.5 motor in it?
I have rsti and evo 8. Both have new ef2 waiting to be installed. I know that rsti will make less power. Just can't decide if I should have went with larger turbo on the evo. 2.5 or even 3
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Old Apr 1, 2013 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DisgustipatedM3
What tires and what size?
Poopy falkens and still oem size

Originally Posted by mean4g63
Truth be told I am torn between the FP Green and the EF2 and when I get ready to choose it's going to be a tough day.
EF2.5 sir

Originally Posted by murlo26
I am sure EF2.5's can crack 500whp on a dynojet with the right setup.
See my setup, easily would crack 500whp on dynojet. STOCK MOTOR. Imagine on a 2.3 or 2.4
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Old Apr 1, 2013 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
That isnt true Brian. the lower you start the pull in the RPM, the more time it has to spool up, which in turn will make it spool sooner. If the cars spooling slow, then it needs addressed in the tune or mechanical issue somewhere with the WGA or boost control.

Look at the evo 8 stock turbo car i just posted evotuner04. that will show you some serious low end tq. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...lt-2l-s3s.html
I think wg preload accounts for a lot of how responsive/laggy a turbo feels, no point in comparing turbos response if the preload doesn´t give about the same base boost. Many of the early EF´s suffered from badly adjusted wg preloads and some may still do.
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Old Apr 1, 2013 | 04:27 PM
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I have Evotuners old EF3 turbo installed on my IX. I did preload the wastegate 1 more turn but it did have some preload on it. I ran the turbo off of the wastegate pressure and it only got 16psi so maybe that has something to do with it, but the turbo spools exactly the same on my car as it did on his, full spool around 4400, So I don't think its anything wrong with his car.
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