STI should be be STE(Slower than Evo). I predict 12 flat for the 30 R equiped Slowbaru STE and a broken rod,spun bearing or something along them lines.

 

Brian

First of all - to this day I have never seen ANY car that performed great with the old Evo 9 WR

(For ease of response and clarity I will in this post refer to the "OLD Evo 8 WR" and the NEW BR Evo IX-20G WR")

Honestly, the old Evo 8 WR was hyped as this huge perfolrming giant increase and I did not see it

Further at the time I got a little bit excited about it as it was implied by certain members that the reason why myself and other tuners were not seeing huge power gains was becuase we lacked the skill and talent to extract the power but a certain other tuner who claimed 44 whp out of a stock evo with the OLD Evo 8 WR could get the power - - as such I took personal offense to the proposition and I attempted to disprove that assertion

Sadly the funny part was that the old Evo 8 WR was a pleasnt enough upgrade and apparently veryt reliable. IMHO it is overpriced for what you get power wise but there are customers with different opinions.

I defy anyone to show me any instances of the OLD Evo 8 WR making those kind of huge power gains - I have not seen it and I have not seen any cars going very fast with it either

Now, if you read the story posted by Mr. Buschur above you will see that he took the time and the effort to arrange to have the IX compressor cover added to the WR and some modification also made to the exhuast section

AS SUCH the BR IX 20G WR turbo is a turbo which has a WR center section but is MODIFIED AND IMPROVED from the original version

I would say its hardly inconsistant for me to say that the improved version is an IMPROVEMNT ?

Hardly INCONSISTANT when the dyno results show that its working well?

OBVIOUSLY - this NEW BR IX-20G WR is going to make MORE power than the OLD evo 8 WR as it has the newest larget IX compressor cover which as we have seen even on a stock IX turbo is a huge advantage

Take a 100% bone stock IX turbo and put it on an Evo and you will find SIGNIFICANT gains over a stock Evo 8 turbo - period

Similarly when you put on a IX cover on a WR you get SIGNIFICANT GAINS

I would say that the results you posted in your thread with a WR with IX cover confirmed this very proposition that adding the IX cover makes a HUGE improvement on the WR

Just to add - I have always been a Buschur supporter - the stuff just works. I have never had a customer of mine upset or dissapointed to purchase a Buschur product. I use the same parts on my race car- they work - they are inexpesnive and Buschur is a great guy. If the parts did not work it and IF I did not believe in them I would not promote them. I dont sell any of these turbos and I dont make a dime recomending them.

I do have a business relationship with Buschur and they are an associate sponsor of my race car. Last time I say Jeff Gordon win a race I am sure he mentioned his sposnors also ???? I use that same BR exhuast, mini battery kit, fmic, fmic pipes, alcohol kit, etc etc etc that I suggest to my customers on my own evo and I personally - all 300 lbs of me - drove it to a 9.98 1/4 mile pass. That is good enough of a proof that the parts work for me - and to top it off they never broke of failed on me even racing then all year. Add the fact that BR was the ones who started by favorite race off all time the DSM shootout which is something I look forward to all year and I am a fairly big BR supporter.

As for the results you obatined which you reported in your thread, I did not comment as when I have nothing postive to add I rather just keep my mouth shut.

As for your claims of talking behind your back, gossip and HS school drama - I sent you a PM to discuss this allegation directly with you as I feel its ridicuolus to pollute this thread with this type of child like nonsense and as s 40 year old man I like to think I have moved beyond that metality.

 

Like there aren't any Evos running around with GT30's on them.

 

What is wrong with you? What does our company have to do with ie, smogrunner and ez76 other than they use/have used our parts/tuning? They can't post their opinions without you lumping them together as "toxic vishnuites"? Do you think we ask them to post on our behalf? Do you think I could care what turbo db tries to sell? Good god Al, anyone is entitled to make their points. Points which we may or may not agree with. But now that you dragged me into this, do you really want to know what I think about this whole white rabbit psuedo-20g situation? Probably not. Now move on and treat people like human beings, not audience members to your life drama.

Shiv

 

In fact Shiv has PMed me and told me to STFU in the past. Also the fact is I don't see any of us`promoting Vishnu products. However, he is a competent Ape when it comes to tuning. Some Apes are just more talented than other Apes.

 

Here are the facts to face.

FP has Switzer's 420whp dyno on the WR product page. I think that speaks pretty clearly to what they feel the turbo and Tym are capable of.

BR has white-labeled FP products, and I think that speaks pretty clearly to what BR thinks FP products are capable of.

Your historic "case studies" on the WR turbo would seem to speak to what you felt FP and their turbo were capable of. Much like the 20G-9's blades, your opinion also casually switcherooed.

Do I really think you had a negative opinion of FP or Switzer? No. I think more likely you were trying to take the wind out of their sails (snails?) while BR readied their own offering. I think you are now backpedaling as alliances and wheel rotations have reversed.

When EVO9 turbos are back in supply it will be interesting to see if sentiment shifts again. If I read carefully I can see the stage being set for another reversal.

 

Turbodawgs car performed fantastically with the Evo 9 WR! Where is that coming from? It's performance is better than we've seen from any "NEW BR Evo IX-20G WR" customer car so far.

A pleasant enough upgrade? C'mon, it has made good power. I've seen enough of Ivan's passes and dyno results to know what it's capable of with supporting mods. So many of the WR cars don't have good supporting mods. Ivan put down 360 on BR's own dyno and has run consistent 11s at about 117 in 90 degree heat on 93/meth. Figuring 1% power loss per 10 degrees, that's pushing 120 without true race gas on a cool day. And that was without a good actuator and boost tapering to 19 or so at redline. I've seen the data logs together with the time slips.

Are we reading the same story? David said that Robert Young prepared a "special" WR turbo and asked David if he would test it. It sounded to me like the whole concept was proposed by FP.

The dyno results show good results for the original WR and the new BR turbo, and the gains, both qualitatively and quantitatively look pretty similar.

What support do you have for this "obvious" conclusion? Yes, a stock Evo IX turbo is better than a stock Evo VIII turbo, but how is that necessary attributable to the cover vs. the compressor wheel? The only back-to-back testing that we've had of the two compressor covers is on the 6-wheel 20G turbo. And on that turbo, the larger cover fixed the surge but DIDN'T IMPROVE PERFORMANCE. So, why are you so sure that the larger cover is a benefit with a compressor wheel that doesn't surge in an VIII housing? It may not hurt (except in driving up the cost of the turbo), but it may not help either.

Puting a IX turbo on an Evo8 is changing more than just the compressor cover. You are changing the compressor wheel as well.

What you are suggesting is that, while the larger compressor cover didn't make significant gains with the 6-blade wheel, it will with the 5-blade wheel? What support do you have for that? The only available evidence points the other way.

There was no testing on turbodawg's car against the WR8, so how does that testing show a HUGE improvement over the original WR?

I agree with you about Buschur and his products. I have them on my car and I like them a lot. I also like how he presents things and how he is very straightforward with everything, plus how much time he spends on here. I was disappointed with how these developments came about, however.

I think what is ironic about YOUR participation in this thread is that you keep mentioning how the WR was overhyped, but what you are doing in this thread to HYPE the 20G-9 is far worse than anything that Tym Switzer or FP ever did with the original WR. They just stated the facts of what the car did. Was Tym's Evo tuned to within an inch of its life? Probably. But that's to be expected and any reasonable customer factors that into their purchase decision. There was no suggestion by Tym or FP that the dyno's posted were a conservative tune. And Robert Young even posted that he picked Switzer to tune and publish results on the turbo because he knew that he could extract maximum gains from it. There was no foul play by FP or Switzer.

What is particularly disturbing about YOUR claims on the 20G is that they are not substantiated. Your broad sweeping claims and the tone of your messages are practically the definition of hype. While you may mean well in supporting Mr. Buschur, I honestly think you are doing him and this turbo a big disservice and should tone down your remarks. The more I read in this thread from you, the less inclined I am to get anywhere near this turbo. And if someone like me who likes Buschur and his products is beginning to feel that way, you can imagine what effect you are probably having on those who are not so inclined already.

 

to end all this bickering on this nice thread,

I AM GETTING IT TUNED AND DYNOED PRE AND POST TURBO INSTALL ON MONDAY BY AL HIMSELF.

so we can all stop this BR vs Vishnu crap. we will see if the turbos worth it or not. here are a list of my current power mods...

Buschur 3" turbo back with high flow cat.
Aem intake

Forge diverter valve

Hallman mbc

255 walbro fuel pump

Megan o2 housing

Megan exhaust mani

10.5 hotside

Custom dynoflash

Ngk 1 step colder plugs

this is what im adding....

20g-9-5 Buschur turbo
780cc injectors
install kit for the turbo.
another custom tune done by the one and only Mr. Freeman.

so we will see. i am hoping for at least 25hp increase if not more. im doing pump gas set at most likely no more than 1.5 bar or 22 psi. im no drag racer, my coilovers are sitting in my room along with my summer wheels so i might run my car when they are in, but i wanted to get this done asap as im sure u are all wanting to see the results. thats all the ranting i have for now so, we will see next week.

 

cant wait to see results monday!

 

if you are only going to run 22 psi, I doubt the gains will be as substancial as you are hoping for. Especially on pump gas...I am going to guess an increase of 15 hp depending on the tune..make sure you find out what the a/f is after he tunes it...

I was hoping to get up there the same day you were getting it installed but I still have parts on order..

good luck

 

I also will dyno my car tomorrow on Show Zone's Mustang Dyno before I install my EVO9-20G next week. Then Al will road tune it on Sat. 2/18 and I'll redyno it for the results.
Will keep you posted.

 

The issue here is not whether this turbo will show a decent gain in the curve and max HP (I think it will, just like the WR8), but rather whether the 20G-9-5 performs better than the WR8 and justifies the price premium. What we need is a WR8 to 20G-9 test with an unbiased tuner.

 

This is how I like to do testing here at Dyno Flash

We will take the same car - same mods - same day same boost levels and do a A - B test back to back to see what gains if any are had with the NEW BRF IX 20G WR unit

The dyno we use is a dyno jet that has no settings I can change such as a "parasitic loss - " or what ever so you know the numbers are consistant and the gains - if any - will be significant

 

What I can tell you is that I have driven and tuned all of the turbos out there

TME

Essex turbo Ball Bearing TME

WR

BALL BEARING WR !!!!!!!!!

20G Evo 8

IX 20G BR

IX 20G BR WR version

So far my impression has been, was and will continue to be that the original WR produces nominal and slight gains and I did not care for it and I do not care for it.

As I have said - with the new IX front cover and modfied exhuast section the WR has improved significantly

Its like saying you did not like the Evo 8 MR but the IX MR is a really nice car for teh extra money as compared to a regular 03.

Everyone is entitled to his her own opinions.

Time will tell if the new IX 20G WR version lives up tp its improved potential and actually delivers the dyno and track times I feel it will.

BTW - I noticed YOU already have a WR listed in your signature so why not just get the IX cover ?

Enjoy

 

I agree with you on that point.

However - as I know the original WR has compressor surge with the 8 cover on high boost and the IX version has no surge what so evcer it may be a moot issue