Originally Posted by lbcevo

I agree with everyone that it makes sense to do cams first, but on the other hand Mitsubishi seems to upgrade the turbo first--e.g. 04 to 05, 8 to 9.

I know they added MIVEC and other things w/the 9, but the consesus seems to be that the 9 turbo is the biggest factor.

Originally Posted by deadbeatrec

u guys are acting like i just commited a modding sin. i wanted to try the new 20g for my own reasons and i had the money so y the hell not. i do plan on camming it so no biggie.

Originally Posted by Evotech8

I don't think anybody here is criticizing you man.
On the contrary, were trying to answer your questions from our experiences. Its just your mod path is not the most logical and efficient steps of doing things. But hey, like you say, it's your money.

Originally Posted by EVO8LTW

Right. This is a discussion board, so we discuss You shouldn't take any of this as a personal attack. Some people on this board spend thousands on parts just to be able to say they are JDM. That's their business and its what makes them happy, even if it isn't the best HP per dollar.
I think you'd know if you were really being attacked. It's not as if someone is calling you a disgrace to the whole Evo community or anything (not that we'll ever hear public statements like that again out of our extensively sponsored fellow member)

Originally Posted by deadbeatrec

i know im not being attacked, totally im not getting my panties in a bunch at all(yes i have panties on) but i just thought i would have more support than i do. i mean i know that most here do the mod sequence of cams and fmic first, but where is it written in stone. so i went the other way. like i said b4 i had all the money so i went for it.

Originally Posted by Zeus

You can bolt on a 20G on a stock Evo if you choose... it is your money!

BTW... I don't think your wife/girlfriend (or both in some people's world ) would be too happy to know you are stretching out her underwear!

Originally Posted by Nez136

Just installed my turbo last night, i took my time to make sure everything was right but apparently i missed a couple things....

To start, after pulling everything off my car and setting the 2 turbos next to eachother i can say that the Evo9 is a lot larger than the 8 turbo. When installing the new turbo i came to a problem, the turbo outlet pipe that came with the install kit did not come even close to fiting to my stock piping. I was a little angred at first but that isn't a good thing when your working on your baby. So i took the evo 8 outlet and intalled it and it fit perfect! Everything went together fine after that.

After filling fluids back up i went and opened the shop door all the way to find nothing less than 4 inches of snow! Sweet i get to the shop at 7:00 pm with nothing on the ground but a little dampness from pryer rain and now it was 11:00 pm and WI weather is at its finest!! ****!

I found only one stretch on halfway dry road and gave her a little nuts....Wow, this turbo spools quicker and it pulls like a train! I didn't even make it to 6k rpms before i lost all traction due to snow once again. I came home and found that i didn't torque one of the coolant lines off the turbo hard enough and it was leaking a little but. That was the easy fix then i found my SRS light was on!? I forgot to plug the Driver side Airbag sensor back in(right next to the headlight) and im still trying to figure out how to turn the light off.

There is no chance with in this next 2-3 days that i will be able to drive on these roads so i'll report back with tuning results in about 1 week.

Originally Posted by justchil

Sounds good Nez! It definaly makes the car more fun to drive even when just putting around. .. My driving style has changed some with this turbo.. I rarely take it over 6000rpm unless I'm feeling frisky.. I'm also using 5th gear a lot more which sucks because my syncro is shot.

lmfao @ the panties!

Originally Posted by Nez136

95GSXtoEVO8, in response to your question, yes the stock outlet fits, im not sure if the '05 has a different lower IC pipe design or what. As for the oil and coolant lines, i set them next to each other and it looks like the 9 lines are a little bit larger(longer) so im not sure if you could use them, it is VERY close though.

Originally Posted by Nez136

Just installed my turbo last night, i took my time to make sure everything was right but apparently i missed a couple things....

To start, after pulling everything off my car and setting the 2 turbos next to eachother i can say that the Evo9 is a lot larger than the 8 turbo. When installing the new turbo i came to a problem, the turbo outlet pipe that came with the install kit did not come even close to fiting to my stock piping. I was a little angred at first but that isn't a good thing when your working on your baby. So i took the evo 8 outlet and intalled it and it fit perfect! Everything went together fine after that.

Originally Posted by davidbuschur

Alright, this is a very long story but most importantly the story is the truth and NOBODY has been ripped off or misled. Get a glass of something to drink, this is a long one

First things first. Months ago when I was still trying to get a 20G wheel built FP beat me to the punch and decided to team up with SPI and sell a WR exclusively through them. All of you will remember this and all the fighting and such that went on. I remember and someone can find the quote if you are motivated saying that Robert at FP builds some kick butt turbos and if he built it I am sure the WR would work. I even said I would like to sell the turbos back then but the deal was already made with SPI and I was not able to do that.

Fast forward a month or two. We finally get our 20G wheels and start building turbos. The EVO8 turbo is used and there is surging problems but they do make damn good power.

Pictures of the EVO9 turbo are released by Mitsubishi, I see them and know this is going to be the solution to the surging. No turbos available............finally Mitsubishi gets ONE in country and it is in California. I buy it for some outrageous price (about $1800) and have it overnighted here then to Texas Rebuild. They install the 20G wheel. I test it, the turbo is so smooth, no surging and the car makes great power on race gas when I tested it. I released this information and the phones go nuts. We get quite a few orders for this turbo.

Weeks go by and there are no EVO9 turbos. Finally I get in contact with Robert at FP and ask if he has some. He doesn't want to sell to me at first as he wants to have them on hand. Finally we reach an agreement and I buy 8-10 (don't remember exactly how many I got) EVO9 turbos from him and have him drop ship them to Texas Rebuild. They build them into 20g-9's. I fill the first 8-10 orders with these turbos. Texas tells me it is going to be another 6-8 weeks for his turbos to come in and Robert is now out of turbos.

Robert contacts me and says he was smart enough to pre-order these EVO9 turbos a long time ago and will have more coming in. Unlucky for me Texas didn't do the same thing. He then asks me if I would test a SPECIAL version of the white rabbit if he sent one, it was a very very long conversation. I am very loyal guy. I do not like to switch suppliers and will buy at higher prices at times to stick with someone I have grown to trust, Texas Rebuild is such a company. Robert and I hadn't done much business together and with the entire WR deal and SPI and me not being able to buy them and him feeling at times that I was attacking him we were both very cautious. The actual agreement was this, "Send me a turbo, I will test it and if it works I will report to you that it does and then I will post the results of it. If it doesn't work I will keep my mouth shut completely and simply return it to you." I got the turbo and put it on my car. This testing took me 2-3 days of back to back to back swapping of the two turbos to determine the differences and such. In the end the bottom line was the turbos were the same. At first the was a difference in spool up that I couldn't pin point and that was the reason for swapping back and forth. The AFR mixtures stayed exactly the same telling me the flow was the same. The spool up was in the actuator for those of you wondering.

I called Robert and it was a huge burden for me to decide what to do from there. Robert and I both talked for hours over the next few days and spent even more time back and forth on AIM.

Robert had EVO9 turbos. Texas did not and still doesn't. We debated on changing the name of the turbo to something else as the WR got such a bad mouthing the first time around. Then after much discussion it came down to the fact that the turbo performed exactly as our 20g-9 did. Making up another name in our minds was useless. It would cause nothing but more confusion and mess. One thing the EVO world did not need was yet another turbo to confuse things.

I have to say again so you all understand. This modified WR turbo was built special for us to test. I had only seen or tested on other WR, this was Ivan's and his car did well on the dyno too. The main point is the dyno results were identical from these two different compressor wheels.

Now what I, Robert and Texas decided to do was just keep calling both turbos a 20g as the results, spool up and such were the same. There was no need to change and just confuse the EVO world further.

Also, Robert at FP will NOT build this same turbo for anyone else. What has been done to the turbo to make it work like our 20g is exclusive to our shop and can only be bought through us.

Had the turbo outperformed our 20g wheel in any aspect it would have been very easy for us to call it something else like the "Green Tornado" and tried to pass it off and sell it for yet another product that would have created a large amount of interest. This would have easily created new sales from more guys that wanted something new. This isn't how I operate.

As it stands today Texas still has no EVO9 turbos to build so the turbos that we are using now are the ones built for us from FP.

We, myself, Robert and Texas, knew there was going to be a time when this came up and it has made me uncomfortable from the beginning. I wanted to make sure when it did everyone got the entire story which is what I just gave. I do not feel this was dishonest and hope nobody else looks at it this way. As I said already, if the performance was different we would have changed the names or something. Maybe the way the WR was originally built there would have been a difference but with one we are running/selling there is none. You can be confident that no matter which one you have you will be getting the same spool up and performance from it.

With that, we like the turbos so much that 3 of us have these turbos on our own cars here. Myself, my brother and Trent. I would have to physically pull the inlet off of each car to figure out who had which one as I don't know, it doesn't matter as they are the same.

Here at the shop we have been referring to the turbo from FP as the 20g-9-5. The 5 being for the 5 blade design.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com