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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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34psi, Hit max load at ~3850. Flashed stock ecu, BR deluxe fmic, 680 injectors, stock intake manifold, stock throttle body, stock IX intake cam with 272 hks exhaust cam, 3" br tb exhaust with 20GLT and stock exhaust manifold. Forge RS diverter and stock IX actuator (may be changed soon).
I would like to see some logs of this wonder 'max load' of 3850 becuase i didnt hit full boost (32lbs) until 4500....is there a 50shot you arent talking about

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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 04:36 PM
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No 50 shot, but it was with a heavy foot.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by alan678
I would like to see some logs of this wonder 'max load' of 3850 becuase i didnt hit full boost (32lbs) until 4500....is there a 50shot you arent talking about
This was the final log of the day on the Mustang Dyno. I guess if you didn't do it, that means it can't be done. I have 135 logs to look at in 30days. This was the first one I looked at. Guess this one is ONLY 3900 rpms, but I have others to look at. Also, second pic is road logs, notice the load levels.




Last pic is just to show the loads and rpms of the road log before dyno. I also have over 50 logs on the dyno. I'm sure I can find and EXACT 3850 max load in some of my logs.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 04:48 PM
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The road logs were made the very first morning after installing the new DV. Therefore the spikes, but those were eliminated. Notice the 381 was with tps at 86 percent. Not quite to 100 percent tps.

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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 04:56 PM
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By the way, I have about 15hours of dyno time on this car, testing AFR, timing, and a lot of mivec. 15 hours isn't much, compared to real tuners, but for me to get these results with 413whp/456wtq, I'm happy with my results.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 05:07 PM
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we have seen consistent 380 load on our 2.3 with the 35R at 25psi.

hmm

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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 05:11 PM
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CBRD, does something look wrong with the logs? I'm open to suggestions. Also, this was final log of the day, but I made a minor change to ignition timing, but we didn't re-dyno it. It dealt with the dip at near peak boost. Fairly certain the dip no longer exists. These were made just before the dyno was sold, so now I can only road tune again, unless I decide to invest in an AWD dyno myself.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 05:17 PM
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We don't see 380 consistently at all. Actual logs after final tuning appear to be 330ish. I still have yet to log the runs at the strip. Track frowns on having the laptop in the seat. Best ET /MPH to date are 11.31 and ~123, but absolutely car is capable of high 10's. Track told us to get the roll bar before running again. In line for the roll bar now.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 9sec9
We don't see 380 consistently at all. Actual logs after final tuning appear to be 330ish. I still have yet to log the runs at the strip. Track frowns on having the laptop in the seat. Best ET /MPH to date are 11.31 and ~123, but absolutely car is capable of high 10's. Track told us to get the roll bar before running again. In line for the roll bar now.
with a boost spike, and the rescaling of the injectors, the load calc can be off slightly also...

330 sounds good... we see 320/330 on a green car on pump, but only for midrange in the powerband... (stock injectors, 350whp)

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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 05:31 PM
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Thats in line with NORMAL logging here also. This particular dyno read very low. The et/mph calculator shows 525+ crank hp. Car weighs with driver 3150, et at 11.31, mph at 123 or so. Still looking for the elusive 10's, but I still feel very soon. FWIW, we run about 7-8 percent water in the methanol injection, to help with the cooling at high boost. AFR's are tuned with the LM-1 at the test pipe, permanent installation for logging. With the race tune and boost, we see 350 consistently.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CBRD
with a boost spike, and the rescaling of the injectors, the load calc can be off slightly also...

330 sounds good... we see 320/330 on a green car on pump, but only for midrange in the powerband... (stock injectors, 350whp)

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If you are using EvoScan and dont change the injector cc value in the data.xml file then you will get incorrect loadcells all day long....on pump you should not see anything over 270 unless you are running more than 25+lbs which is unsafe to begin with...try using Mitsulogger where you can modify the injector settings from the main screen and see what you load cells are on pump gas again...



i will need to do some logs again whenever i feed the car some more racegas to see where the peak load cells/rpm meet....

On pump i see about 255-260 max around 3800rpms @23lbs and my injectors latencies are dialed in correctly and scaled at 713cc...

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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 07:15 AM
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14-15* of timing @3900RPM , did I see that right ?
and dint you say that you can run 28* @ 8000 also ?
wow I got some W/I-meth

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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 11:44 AM
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14-15* of timing @3900RPM , did I see that right ?
and dint you say that you can run 28* @ 8000 also ?
wow I got some W/I-meth
That timing is what could be causing him to knock like that (3 counts showing on the first log, and some other knock that can be hiding behind the screen shots, and all those knock events in the long datalog)....and knock at 30+psi is bad juju....my datalogs show 0 signs of knock through out the whole power band...on the road and on the dyno...

I rather run a bit conservative as I am running now on my race fuel tune and not knock then try to squeeze 35 more ft lbs knocking (especially at peak boost) and risk detonation and blowing my ish up...plus when does the car see 3800rpms at the drag strip??? I launch at 5500rpms and shift at 7500rpms...just not worth the additional stress on the block/turbo/head for the street...

Just my .02

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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:10 PM
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In Evoscan do you edit the data.xml file and change under 'load' injector from 513 to, for example, 542 etc?




Originally Posted by alan678
If you are using EvoScan and dont change the injector cc value in the data.xml file then you will get incorrect loadcells all day long....on pump you should not see anything over 270 unless you are running more than 25+lbs which is unsafe to begin with...try using Mitsulogger where you can modify the injector settings from the main screen and see what you load cells are on pump gas again...

On pump i see about 255-260 max around 3800rpms @23lbs and my injectors latencies are dialed in correctly and scaled at 713cc...
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Oracle1
In Evoscan do you edit the data.xml file and change under 'load' injector from 513 to, for example, 542 etc?

Yes, that is correct....find that '513' stock injector size setting within the file and change that to whatever your actual CC setting is...This will allow the correct load cells to reflect and not some bogus number close to 400...

(Personally, i perfer to use MitsuLogger because this setting can be changed from the main program screen and you can even enable the 'LoadAlt' parameter and that will reflect your EvoScan load cells at the same time...)

You cant tune a car if the logging program you are using isnt reflecting your true load cell's....
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