My buschur racing pump gas evo
That is absolutely correct. I don't know of any tuner (?) who has openly posted a proper dyno test to ascertain and log the boost/detonation threshold/power relationship for a given setup with 93 octane U.S. fuel. Such a test would be logical, albeit possibly a bit tedious and perhaps expensive for an ordinary individual. This being the case, it makes the most sense for a dyno owner/operator, and I've seen none come forward with such testing results.
My comment to your earlier post stems from the fact that U.S. EVOs are almost always built around the factory CR, while those who are running the big boost pressures in the UK are using 'top secret' (read: lower) static CR, and therefore are incomparable here.
My comment to your earlier post stems from the fact that U.S. EVOs are almost always built around the factory CR, while those who are running the big boost pressures in the UK are using 'top secret' (read: lower) static CR, and therefore are incomparable here.
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trent, I have been to the shootout once. Its a nice event but not worth 35hrs of drive time for a few hours of fun. My car is a two door and my family of four would not enjoy such a trip. But just to address the challange my car is not setup to be a straight 93 octane king. You do have to build the setup and the powerband to deal with detonation issues of a low octane fuel. The intercooler as well needs to be maximum heat removal, which mine is not. With 90 degree dyno temps my ****ty spearco core was allowing intake temps of 119 after repeted pulls at just 21psi. with the alky on the intake temps were 65-75 degrees at 34psi. Its a dumb agruement to say you can make as much power with straight 93 as you can with 93/alky. David infers you dont need alky to make power with 93. I laugh at that statement. I agree alky is a pain in the **** and many have blown engines from it failing including myself. But making power on straight 93 here in florida leaves much to be desired. Your car may very well make 580ish whp dynojet on straight 93 but it would make substatially more on 93/alky. enough said. The main difference between your setup and mine is in IMHO your setup is not a fun daily driver and mine is. I have seen the dyno graphs dave has posted from a nice rockin 20g setup VS a rockin 2.0/35r. there is no comparison how much faster the 20g setup makes power. If you comparred my power curve to yours it would be the same type comparison. My car makes power 1000rpm sooner than your setup. And for that very reason that is why my car cant be a pump gas king. Making high cylinder pressure low in the rpm band is what causes detonation to be a problem. There are too many things in my setup that makes the turbo spool fast, but that is what makes it a ball to drive. Driving my car feels like driving a well setup 16g car with an extra 250hp. Plus I am not convinced your 93 octane is the same as ours. We get 7% meth in our windshield washer fluid, and ohio gets 40%. Your e85 is e70 during the winter and ours is e85 year round. what makes everyone think ohio gas is the same as florida gas? I would love to see your car dyno on our local gas. That would be the only way to settle this for me. There is a local here about ready to tune his buschur part 2.3/35r car. He has all buschur parts save the ams intake mani. I will be sure to report how well that car does on 93 and on race gas. It may very well be dave is the best tuner for these cars hands down. But I bet my life a soso tuner like brad brooks is not leaving 150whp on the table like dave is suggesting. brad brooks is on the same level as shawn Ivey. he is the best tuner hands down that comes to tampa. I can tune my own car but it takes me much longer than someone who does it everyday. I just prefer to have it done by a professional as I am not very patient. Plus breathing race gas fumes on the dyno for hours at a time is not my idea of smart. I saw my grandfather die of lung cancer. its not a pretty way to go.
So yes mine is a fun daily driver, not fun for the guys in the other lane
I know i will make more power with pump and alky. I had a 20g car last year and i did love all the power early in the rpm, but my theory is if you dont have turbo lag, you dont have a big enough turbo. You have to find a happy medium for what you like. There is only a bit of lag when I first mash it, after that its on like donkey kong. I have my shift light set at the MOON and i actually shift when it gets to MARS. So yes mine is a fun daily driver, not fun for the guys in the other lane
So yes mine is a fun daily driver, not fun for the guys in the other laneLast edited by 94AWDcoupe; Jul 4, 2007 at 06:03 AM.
Zo6
I was at the dyno the other night here in Miami when a guy pulled up in a 2007 ZO6 that was brand new. It had less than 2,000 miles on it.
They strapped it to the Dyno and made a few pulls. (it was on a Dynojet)
(Again, this car was bone STOCK)
It made 447 HP with 450 TQ.
That is very impressive!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, take into consideration, its made for speed. The body is aero as hell. This thing would be scary to drive on the highway.
They strapped it to the Dyno and made a few pulls. (it was on a Dynojet)
(Again, this car was bone STOCK)
It made 447 HP with 450 TQ.
That is very impressive!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, take into consideration, its made for speed. The body is aero as hell. This thing would be scary to drive on the highway.
I was at the dyno the other night here in Miami when a guy pulled up in a 2007 ZO6 that was brand new. It had less than 2,000 miles on it.
They strapped it to the Dyno and made a few pulls. (it was on a Dynojet)
(Again, this car was bone STOCK)
It made 447 HP with 450 TQ.
That is very impressive!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, take into consideration, its made for speed. The body is aero as hell. This thing would be scary to drive on the highway.
They strapped it to the Dyno and made a few pulls. (it was on a Dynojet)
(Again, this car was bone STOCK)
It made 447 HP with 450 TQ.
That is very impressive!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, take into consideration, its made for speed. The body is aero as hell. This thing would be scary to drive on the highway.
So that's like 350 or so whp on dave's dyno. This car is producing almost double that
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In a way it is impressive, but for the price tag, not really. i have seen several run at the drag strip, bone stock there good for mid 120 mph. The claim of 130+ mph is that, just a claim.
True, but it's also bone stock and 7 liters.
Morgan Performance Fab recently installed dual GT35Rs on one, and it is my understanding that mildly tuned (12 psi), it will break 315 series rubber loose at 90 mph . . .
Morgan Performance Fab recently installed dual GT35Rs on one, and it is my understanding that mildly tuned (12 psi), it will break 315 series rubber loose at 90 mph . . .
I was at the dyno the other night here in Miami when a guy pulled up in a 2007 ZO6 that was brand new. It had less than 2,000 miles on it.
They strapped it to the Dyno and made a few pulls. (it was on a Dynojet)
(Again, this car was bone STOCK)
It made 447 HP with 450 TQ.
That is very impressive!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, take into consideration, its made for speed. The body is aero as hell. This thing would be scary to drive on the highway.
They strapped it to the Dyno and made a few pulls. (it was on a Dynojet)
(Again, this car was bone STOCK)
It made 447 HP with 450 TQ.
That is very impressive!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, take into consideration, its made for speed. The body is aero as hell. This thing would be scary to drive on the highway.
Trent you should PM it to him... or I can.
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525 hp or 1 hp, who gives a ratz azz........135 mph trap speed is damn impressive on 93 octane. It would seem that even Daves Mustang dyno reads high, considering a stock z06 is rated at 505hp and runs 130-133 mph trap speeds. And as to what he does different, I still believe that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, they just work together well. Great job
Might want to check your facts there again buddy, C6 Z06 does not trap 130-133mph stock, sorry. I believe the stock record is 129mph, but most trap between 120-127mph
. Still a freakin' beast.Just one example of a stock C6 Z06 when driven well (more than I can say for the Viper owner
)-http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e...4e00370948.htm
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