okay, so lets say there are just a few good tuners out there. I disagree with that statement but lets say it is true. Out of those few each of those has prolly tuned 20-30 well setup 35r cars. Thats like 100 cars. out of those how many have even achieved even low 11,s on straight pump? there isn't another post anywhere. dont you think its a bit strange these people dont post about how much fun it was to go 135 on 93 octane in a nearly full weight evo? if its easy for you to reproduce these results than that is what you should be trying to do. 90% of people who build a fast car have to drive it on the street where only pump gas is available. the simple fact is if these results were easily repeatable then there would be many cars producing the results where there are none. a smart tuner will educate the novice on the limits of running straight 93 pump. Those limits are 400-500whp dynojet range. you want to sell people on its easy to make closer to 600 and it is safe. not very smart if you ask me.

by the way when are you going to edit your signiture? AMS is beating your 8 second car by almost a half second. you are NOT the fastest by a long shot.

 

Its all about the combo! Last year my car had the 20g-9 turbo and i ran 11.20's all day long with stock block and head. You duplicate my setup and i bet you will make the same power.


Do you even own a evo?

 

That guy's just a Buschur hater. Read any of his posts in a Buschur related thread and it's always negative. No objectivity at all and obviously, he has an axe to grind with David. Problem is, he can't find the damn axe.

Way to go Trent and Buschur Racing on that EVO EVO. Impressive is a gross understatement.

 

Great #s Trent! The power looks so good that you can run with pump all day and still have so much fun!!

 

Yes, for sure 94awdcoupe is a Buschur hater.

94awdcoupe,

Here is the place you should be: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...255215&page=19

The difference between you and me is I am out here doing this stuff everyday. You are just trolling the forums looking for something to bust my ***** about. Why don't you finish one project of your own. Get your half assed meters and half assed testing underway. Maybe then you will personally have something to contribute rather than a bunch of trash talking about what I am constantly doing, making power and providing real testing and real results.

I will answer your question about why there aren't more cars like this though. YOU think there are good tuners all over this country. I will take back what I said, maybe there are GOOD tuners all over this country, but a good tuner isn't going to get the job done. A GREAT tuner is going to be needed and there are NOT GREAT tuners all over the country. There are tons of guys that can open the laptop and get your car running so you can drive it around. I guess being able to do that is a GOOD tuner. The other problem is there is a VERY short list of EVO's that have been built properly and it takes a properly built combination to achieve this type of power on pump gas-safely.

Yes, I am in fact promoting the fact that over 500 whp can be on our low reading dyno and that 10's with trap speeds of over 134 mph can be achieved, all on 93 octane. Whether or not YOU think it is a "smart" thing to do does nothing but makes me laugh. That I guess puts you into the GOOD catagory, at best.

As for my signature, I'd have changed it the day our record got beat but I am actually leaving it as is from lack of changes made when we broke the record. I figure another 6-7 months if we still haven't gotten it back I will start making some changes.

Now, go do your intercooler testing, it's LONG over due.

 

BTW, memo3, what did I make with your car on straight pump gas? I think it was very close to or 500 whp, wasn't it?

 

impressive guys...

we've made 450-480 on a flash with our car on our mustang dyno on pump... and that is very strong on our dyno...

this goes to show what can be made on pump... i may have to go aem now lol....

awesome job...

cb

 

nothing against you dave, but you should change it, you are not the quickest evo 8 anymore, that is until you step it up lol

 

If you read the Lancer Register, you will see built motors w/GT35R coming off Norris Designs engine dyno all the time running 2.2 bar of boost and 600+ bhp on pump fuel.

I'm pretty confident UK pump fuel (99 RON) is equivalent to USA pump (93 PON).

I guess they have some GREAT tuners in the UK too.

 

What boost was that at? And how does your dyno relate to your average Dynojet?

 

I agree, there are some guys making killer power in the UK on their pump gas. I'd like to have some of their gas to see how it compares to ours.

 

Great number, awesome time!! Congrats on the amazing achievements. One day in the near future I'll bring my car up there.

Again, mad props to the big-ballers for willing to push the limit.

 

(sorry not to hog a buschur thread... we have a mustang... ALOT lower than most dynojets... the last dynojet car that did 404whp did 331on ours lol)

 

call me a buschur hater all you want if tat makes you happy. But to say I dont play with these cars every day is just an ignorant lack of fact. rather than challenge the facts he would prefer to just bash a persons character. nothing ever changes I guess.

here are more facts. well setup 35r car will make 625whp-650whp on race gas. On straight 93 octane florida gas it will struggle to make 450whp. my own personal car just made 622whp on 93/meth. without the meth running it was only able to muster 380whp before knock was present. my car is not the ideal example for this because it is setup to make enormous power early in the rpm band, when you make big power in the 4-5000rpm and it will be hard to keep detonation at bay. my car makes 567 tq. high torque/hp ratio means you are making high cylinder pressure early in the rpm band. far from ideal for making big pumpgas numbers. this is with crappy 93octane and meth injection. There are 3 large restrictions in my setup to make the car fun to drive rather than make the best whp. Those include a very quiet exhaust, a restrictive 8 runner intake manifold, a nearly stock head, and a 95 stock exhaust manifold. this is also on an early 4g63 that certainly lacks some of the other smaller improvements that came with later 4g63 evos.

not wanting to remove your incorrect statement of your car being the fastest is typical dave buschur attitude. if he wants to lie about being the fastest to achieve higher sales where do the lies start and stop?

There are all kinds of posts of evos making well over 600whp on 35r. Their pump gas numbers are always in the 450whp range because that is the practical limits of 93 ocatne. For a shop to say its easy to make over 550whp on 93octane is again worth repeating, DUMB.

 

i take no sides, but a lot of what he said is the truth, david change your ****, most 35r pump gas cars are in the 400's, enough said, but those cars are also usually conservatively tuned.

Otherwise wouldnt the gt35r be considered the pump gas king?? If we could all have that much power on pump we would, most consider the 20g or 50 trim pump gas kings, a gt 35r is a race gas turbo, or better said a high psi turbo, but hey thats my .02c, take it for what its worth.