Full Race= Full Credit Cards

 

Agreed, but I still wonder for the average enthusiast, which turbo route is best. Most can't run race gas all the time (if a street car), but can run meth / alk and a good failsafe. I think for most dd, a stock 9 turbo + alk + failsafe is a great setup, that said if one has an additional $3.5K + then this route will do even better .

 

No argument there. Saving money and still having 350+whp on a DD is awesome Gotta love the Evo. Now, lets get more 411 on the specifics of that dyno pull.

 

Smogrunner you are correct the top end is much better than a stock 9 turbo, but the hype over this kit has been over spoolup, and honestly 4900 doesn't seem very impressive for a 30R especially since he seems to be only running a low boost number.

 

Show me one 30R dynojet dyno graph that shows more power at 4000rpm. I have the best ever recorded (to my knowledge) right here in my laptop that I can post up for comparison with almost the exact same mods as the dyno posted above.

Still, you might be right, IF this is a fourth gear pull. All anyone would have to do is re-post this graph in MPH form instead of RPM.

 

This was 3rd gear and is the safe tune I requested. This was the final pull before the car came off the dyno. Sean did a considerable amount of road tuning too. I noticed the same thing with the smoothing setting and knew that Sean really did tune for reliability. I don't see a reason to tune for numbers with C16 since I don't ever plan to use it. The car does feel great and meth is now really on my mind...E85 would be if I could get it reliably.

I have the FR vertical flow IC, pretty much their entire kit.

 

I be willing to bet that NOBODY on this forum has more experience compiling Dynojet run files than me (not that this is some kind honor, just pointing out that I'm experienced with this). I am responsible for maintaining Tuning Technologies Dyno Database on SoCalEvo.net. Below is the best spooling Evo 8 with a 3076 that I've ever recorded. There are one or two other cars that about tied with this, btw. Pay no attention to peak numbers. Instead look at the power at 4000 rpms.

Mods: Stock 2.0, stock head, AMS intercooler, hks 272s, Xede, 100octane unleaded. That's it. Dyno done at 61 degrees.


Full Race Kit: Dyno done at 94 degrees


Looks to me that the Full Race Kit makes 20more whp/20 more wtq at 4000rpms than the best traditional turbo kit I've ever recorded in 34 degree hotter weather. There are many other variable out there, but this turbo definitely makes great low end power. No doubt whatsoever about that.

Next big question for most of us: Let's see if this kit keeps up with the big boys at 30 to 33 psi. Will it make 500+ whp without issue like the Tuning Tech kit, the AMS kit, the Buschur kit, etc.

 

Not the place to sale stuff!!!

 

^^^ What???

 

I'm glad you like it!! I'm a TS believer, but if you are never going to run race gas you could have bought a 20GLT/FP Green had 600rpm+ of faster spool and made the same power 400whp dynojet on pump for $3000 or less depending on your IC choice.

 

I might have missed this but what was the boost on this run?

 

That could easily be the difference in dynos. I'm hoping for more results from the larger setups. IMO a FP Green is the best option up to 450whp dynojet I want to see what the 4088R and 4094R are going to do.

 

because with all of the research on this subject, everyone is doing the same thing, anticipating that this turbo setup is going to produce some amazing numbers, and then if not, a few HP peak lost will be more than worth it for a 5 to 600 rpm difference in spool

 

That's what I was thinking. Looks like a slower spooling green for a lot more $$. And we already know the green can run 10's on a built car with race gas.

I think what people really want to see is a fully built(motor,head, tranny etc) FullRace 35r or 40r with the vertical FMIC go up against a daily driven full interior AC car like Trents or Buschurs RS. Not just how the car "feels" but #'s and graphs on the same dyno and most importantly trap times and lap times.

 

I don't think so on this one. That kind of early spool advantage in 34 degree hotter temps can't be summed up to differences in dynos. An average 30R, in warm weather, with compatible mods makes about 175whp 225wtq at 4000rpms. Nothing particularly impressive about this graph, but it is typical of 30R power at 4000rpms. On average, the Full Race kit seems to be making around 50more whp and 50 more torque at 4000rpms.



BTW, I'd still like proof that the dyno of the Full Race Kit was done in 3rd. Posting up the graph in MPH mode will easily take care of that.